[ SECRET POST #2259 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2259 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: ASOIAF maybe overestimated SPOILERS

[(Anonymous)]

Two points here.

First, I think GRRM has been the victim of his own success. Fantasy as a genre is not the same today as it was when he started writing ASOIAF - nerd entertainment as a genre (& I think it's valid to consider it as a genre in this context) is not the same today as it was when he started writing ASOIAF. In particular, I think narratives are a lot more varied and less willing to follow convention. At the time, the idea of killing a character like Ned at the end of the first book of a multi-volume fantasy would be insane, let alone the Red Wedding. So I think the passage of time has dulled the impact of what once were legitimately shocking twists, and to some extent still are. You have to bear in mind the cultural context of ASOIAF in many ways is 1996, not 2013.

Second, I think that subverting fantasy tropes and having shocking twists are two distinctly different things, and I think GRRM does both. And whether or not the things he's doing surprise you, that doesn't speak to whether or not he's suverting fantasy tropes. And (this is just my opinion) I think he is arguing against fantasy tropes in certain identifiable and consistent ways, particularly in who he thinks of as a hero, what happens to them, how they change, and in general what is important to them. But that's still something he's doing whether you see it coming or not.