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fandomsecrets2013-03-13 06:45 pm
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-15 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)Why wouldn't we focus on what the house elves want?
Because by doing that (almost always exclusively) it's ignoring the question of whether it's right for wizards to take advantage of House Elves and their natures. It gets turned into something wizards do *for* House Elves, as if elves saying they want to be owned justifies a relationship that's inherently abusive. House Elves are willing to blame themselves for abuse that can and does happen and wizards see no reason to search for ways to limit their own power over elves. It's not oppressing elves for Wizards to say okay, you can have your subservient relationship and bonds to particular people, but here's a whole bunch of laws we Wizards have to follow about it and here's also help you're legally entitled to if you should need it. I don't think it's an insulting compromise to say Elves are going to have rights even if they don't want them.
But wizards don't do that--that's what I meant by saying they leave it up to the elves. As long as the elves aren't formally organizing to complain wizards are happy with elves having no rights too. And that's on them. They don't keep elves because they're doing them a favor. Harry might be a nice enough guy to not want to punish Kreacher by freeing him, but he's also not going to let Kreacher choose and so transfer ownership of him to Bellatrix for obvious reasons. Or not force him to do things that when he really wants something done.
Maybe another analogy that's not perfect for House Elves isn't so much slaves as women. There have been plenty of times and places where women were under the authority of male family members. Many women did and still do consider it proper that they should depend on the whims of men for their own protection instead of having rights of their own. Women who "failed" by being abused or abandoned were ignored in favor of the lucky ones. But whatever men claimed about this being a responsibility for them to take care of women, they actually just enjoyed having all the rights.
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Regulating the relationship between the wizards and the house-elves is a very good idea. I never said it wasn't. I just don't think the wizards should be speaking OVER the house-elves when these matters are brought up for action and revision.
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-15 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
In a perfect world, the Ministry would have some laws/a council/something pertaining to the organization and status of house-elves, and some elves would speak to the council about their needs, and everyone would be happy and everything would be hunky dory.
One thing I think we could all get behind? Laws that makes abuse of elves (a la Malfoy) illegal and heavily disciplined against.