[ SECRET POST #2270 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2270 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/4xZpT66.png

[wldcatsprstr_14]

That would be so awesome.

I really didn't like Mr. Manhattan for just the reason you described. He didn't think humans were significant because we're so small in comparison to all of the universe but look how powerful he was and how little good actually came from his existence. So much power and he does absolutely nothing with it. No good. No evil. Boring as hell.

[(Anonymous)]

It would inevitably end badly.

But it's an interesting contrast, I agree.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Or he might see it as his purpose to destroy her. Or vice versa.

Only room for one true god in the end.

[anonymouslyyours]

Lately it feels like the entire internet is conspiring to convince me to cave and watch Dr. Who for Rose. But I'm kind of scared her actual character won't be as awesome and incredible as her fandom makes her seem. But that tumblr post about Rose being the only person strong enough to show mercy to a Dalek will stick with me either way.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

I think Rose is a great character. She has an awesome story arc and mostly ups throughout. But she's not my favorite companion. So don't think you have to watch for her. Just watch for watching's sake and see what you like. If you end up liking the show, there's something in there for everyone. And if you don't, that's cool too.

[sparklywalls]

Rose is a bit of a wank magnet even years after her exit[s] so it's understandable you're a bit wary because these things usually go that for every person saying she's amazing, there's another saying she's The Worst. I wasn't Rose's biggest fan but she did have her moments, like the first Dalek episode of the revived series. It actually managed to make me cry the first time it was aired and it is a bit like wtf it's a Dalek (I was a fan of the old series too...so it was a weird moment for me.) Anyway, that's pretty much one of the best episodes of the whole revived run for me. The Daleks seemed intriguing rather than overused caption shouting machines and Rose wasn't suffering from inconsistent writing just yet.

[(Anonymous)]

I have sort of the same thing going on - just with a 'God, I wish they'd shut up about it, BLEH!' thing too [that's mostly from rl people though]. So, it's a weird mix of feelings. : /

[intrigueing]

Rose is great when taken all on her own, but the show, especially season 2 (and a LOT of her fans) sometimes has this undercurrent of "Rose is SPECIAL because of her intrinsic SPECIALNESS" that bugs other people.

You'll probably like her better if you don't get suckered by the show's occasional "you MUST identify with her because she is THE ULTIMATE COMPANION" messages. She's got a specific personality, and if you're not similar to her and take the show's more stannish moments too seriously, she won't sit that well with you.

However, I loved Rose because she was utterly, completely ordinary in every possible way, but only because she never got to be in a position to even try to be extraordinary until she met the Doctor. She was a great study of how utterly ordinary people can be awesome and wonderful and absolutely amazing -- most of them just never know it because they're never in the right circumstances to prove it. I don't know what tumblr post you're referring to, but yeah, most people never get to be in the position to show mercy to a genocidal maniac alien, so they never know if they have it in them, but Rose did get that chance, and she did, because compassion and mercy was simply part of her personality and always had been, just kind of undramatic and unused.

Anyway, that's my take on what made her great. The whole idea that ordinary people have totally awesome things hidden away inside them that can come out if you give them the opportunity.

[anonymouslyyours]

CONSPIRATOR! Seriously.

I think the post was a response to someone saying River Song was the strongest companion because she made a dalek scream for mercy or something and it hit all my buttons on how compassion and empathy can take more inner strength then violence and hatred. Which is something rarely shown or shown as a cheesy, beautiful victim, sacrificial lamb type deal that is hard to swallow or aspire to.

[intrigueing]

Oh, well, that happens quite a lot on DW. The whole general theme of the show is "intellect and romance over brute force and cynicism" (forget the source of that quote, but it's a great one). Violence of any kind typically isn't glorified on the heroes' side in the Davies era, though the Moffat era is...uh...well, Moffat portrays River Song as totally awesome. But she's meant to be a contrast with the Doctor, so there's that.

But yeah, killing is generally portrayed as despicable unless there aren't any alternatives. And even then the heroes aren't completely let off the hook because any killing of any kind is portrayed as unfair and dehumanizing to the target and degrading to the mind and spirit of the killer (er, I'd say it goes a little too far in this direction sometimes to the point where it doesn't always make sense. But some of that can be kind of handwaved by the fact that Doctor has a massive case of PTSD that makes him kind of irrationally and inconsistently allergic to violence).

[(Anonymous)]

I believe the quote is from the Craig Ferguson Dr Who cold open: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9P4SxtphJ4

It might not actually originate there, but who cares, watch it anyway

[kamino_neko]

I disagree.

Jon isn't detached from humanity because we're 'too small' - He's the embodiment of 'small things matter'. He is essentially the sapient avatar of quantum physics.

He's detached from humanity because he can see the entirety of his personal timeline, as if it's all one single point. From his perspective, all the choices that can be made already have been before we reach the point where we make them, thus they don't matter - that goes for his, as well as ours. Past, present, future, it's all the same, and it's all set in stone.

In the end, he decides otherwise, and goes off to make use of his godly powers on a clean slate, rather than sticking around, because he could, and with Laurie choosing Dan, there was nothing left for him on Earth.

(Before Watchmen changes things up in that his detachment from humanity and decision to just go with what he saw having happened was deliberate, to keep from enforcing his will on everybody else, after he accidentally splintered the timeline by actually using his powers in a non-pre-ordained way, thus giving up his free will for the sake of everybody else's.)

[(Anonymous)]

I think Dr Manhattan's disengagement seemed to be more driven by "what's the point of doing anything?" because he knew what was going to happen to everything and everybody in the future (barring the blocked stuff), so he was basically just twiddling his thumbs and going through the motions of what he knew was going to happen, like watching a movie he'd already seen.

Still, IA that when Rose's first instinct when she had omnipotence foisted on her was protecting the Doctor and showing compassion to everyone (in a kind of scary way -- she did kill thousands of Daleks with a flick of her hand, granted Jack immortality without considering what it meant for him, and was completely mesmerized seduced by her own capability and power), it made me cry with just how wonderful it was. It made perfect sense yet totally bucked the ungrounded stereotype that "well, duh, if someone could see everything, nothing would matter to them/well duh, if someone had unlimited power they'd help themselves and wouldn't care about anyone."

And ooh...now I'm wondering how much this event and/or Nine dying from Bad Wolf overdose influenced Ten's personality. Rose pretty much did the same thing as the Time Lord Victorious there, just with a whole lot less "fuck da police" than Ten.