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I dunno? I don't exactly get the issue*, but that might be a culture thing?

We make a lot of Native Norwegian* things in school and we dress up and play pretend and go to look at how their culture used (and to some extent still is) to be. Their flag and traditional clothes and equipment get used by everyone in Norway.

*though I haven't really spent a lot of time trying to understand it, mostly because every time I see something about it, it is just people saying "this is wrong", but not explaining why.

*Same is the Norwegian name for them, which is confusing when you are writing in English.

Sure, but you don't exactly profit from that in some kind of monetary way.

It's not like you then take that stuff and sell it, right? It's not like you take that image as a logo for a corporation that sells cars or medicine or whatever. Learning about history or culture in a constructive manner isn't appropriation.

Taking a symbol of a culture you have no part of and using it to sell something is appropriation.

Sometimes. What a lot of people are ignoring here is that there *are* cases where, with the Native Americans at least, they're making money off those logos/what have you. So some of the cases you're pointing aren't going to be appropriation 100% of the time [as much as it would make it easier to call it out when it does happen.

As for what it is...It's basically taking things from another culture with no regard for the cultural/spiritual attachment to that aspect/thing and using it - usually in a way that is derogatory.

So, for example, looking at another culture and saying 'Hey, that spoon idea is pretty awesome! Maybe we should try!' probably wouldn't fall into that category, where as 'Hey, that totem idea seems pretty nifty! I wonder if I make money off how to find your's!' since it ignores the beliefs attached to it.

There are also some parts that seem to vary depending on who you talk to as to if it's lumped in there or not. For example, using a caricature of a culture as a logo *might* be seen that way - but it could also be considered something else [usually racism of a sort].

Sure, but as a general rule that doesn't really apply to the classroom environment. Yes, I realize there are situations where it can and does, but I am speaking in terms of majority here. Learning and teaching about culture and history is generally not thought of as appropriation.

Learning and teaching about culture and history is generally not thought of as appropriation.

Actually that is now considered a bad thing, under the appropriation' umbrella of thought. However that only apples to white north americans.

I swear the world is going crazy. :/

Well we do, we use it in a profitable way to, some of it is by the real Native Norwegians, but some is also by non Native Norwegians so to speak.

No one ever protests it though, as a child I had traditional Native Norwegian shoes (with the markings, which I guess probably means something, but to be honest I couldn't tell you what) and so did most of my friends. We eat food that says it is "native Norwegian" but really isn't, we sing their songs and use their instruments and so on.

Then again our Native Norwegians have a right to get educated in their native language and their own government and news and laws that protect their nature and way of life.

Which is more than what my heritage got, but that is a story for another day.

Oh and apparently this is a thing?:

As I mentioned earlier, Same is the Norwegian (or Sami) word for Native Norwegians...

What I am trying to say is: It isn't an issue in Norway, if you use a part of Norwegian history (or culture) it is fair game, even if you aren't Native Norwegian, you can still use their cultural heritage as decoration or buy things that traditionally was theirs. Then again, Norwegian culture is at times miles away from American Culture, and someone abusing Sami culture for a profit wouldn't happen in the same way over here as it seems Native American culture gets used in America?

You...do realize people were responding the way they did, mainly because you're comment [at least came off as] asking about it right? And not a 'OMG, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!'?

That said, you're also missing one very big part that people tend to forget when talking about this - namely historical context. The Native Americans have a completely different history than the Same do, and there are aspects that probably put a very different spin on things.

~~Also, the whole 'IT COULDN'T/WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE' thing is...well. Let's just say that's one of the common things people use to turn a blind eye to it happening.~~

What in my response came off as not wanting to understand it further? Should I have just said, "oh cool I understand it now" because I honestly still don't completely understand it. I get the comercial parts of it, but not the rest. So I tried to further explain my point of view, just like I will in this comment, and hopefully someone will take the time to explain it to me in a way that I will understand it.

Really? A Sami woman was set fire to not long ago, because she was Sami. And it isn't that long ago they didn't get to speak their own language and the children was sent away most of the year to make sure they didn't learn about their own culture. Also my heritage the Taters (basically Norwegian Romani) where sterilized and their existing children where adopted away resulting in the fact that there is no Taters left today.

It is not only in Ameica Native people are (or where) treated badly, I am just explaining that we don't look at using parts of one culture in our own as a bad thing. And I am trying to understand why it is thought of so in America.

Actually let me give you an example so you will understand the difference in the way we think. Norrøn mythology (as in Tor and Loke and Odin) are not a completely dead religion, there are priests and believers in it today too. The Avengers movie and the comic books portrays religious figures in a non accurate and at times pretty offensive way, but you don't see us Scandinavians protesting it now do you?

I am sorry it came out that way, which isn't what I intended. But cultures are different, people think differently and the way one country or culture thinks of something isn't necessarily the same way as another culture/country thinks of it

*Same is the Norwegian name for them, which is confusing when you are writing in English.

The English word is 'Sami', I believe.

Same is the Norwegian word for them, Sami is actually the Native Norwegians word for Same, well it is written with a different I, but still.

What I was saying is, I do believe you are right!

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