[ SECRET POST #2273 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2273 ⌋

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

It was a nice idea that simply couldn't be executed on film in this society. And not because of SJW, but because to do so is to ignore the erasure of people of color on film. Should have remained a book, where this kind of erasure can only happen in people's minds.

None of the artistic merit would have been lost by using the actual races and connecting them with a birthmark, but some exposure for actors and actresses of color would have been gained. Ironically, it's exactly the kind of movie people accuse SJW of doing. Talking the talk, but not walking the walk, i.e. arguing aggressively for equality on the internet or on film but not actually trying to change anything in the reality that exists.

[(Anonymous)]

None of the artistic merit would have been lost by using the actual races and connecting them with a birthmark.

*claps*

Big fat YES to this. And this is coming from someone who liked the film.

[(Anonymous)]

A big fat No. A big fat watches the entire point fly over your head.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like this is a different argument than the "yellowface" one the OP alluded to. Is it wrong because making people up as other races is wrong, or is it wrong because it took opportunities away from actors of other races?

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly think the yellowface was wrong because it looked bad as hell. You can't just put stuff on a white guy's eyes and expect him to pass for asian...

[meadowphoenix]

In this case, I think they go hand-in-hand. Also, I'm not sure of the history of yellowface, like I am with blackface, so I just focused on the aspect I could comment on. OP did mention racebending on its own.

[isana]

Both, to me. Asian-American actors are marginalized enough as they are, and I feel like they wasted an opportunity by not casting them in this movie.

Much as I wanted to love it (the book is one of my favorites), I came away feeling alienated.

[(Anonymous)]

You could argue that artistic merit would be lost, but it seems like it would be made up for by removing some really terrible makeup. Because some of that is just awful.

[meadowphoenix]

I am dying at all the make-up issues, but I'm pretty sure in the book, everyone actually looks different, and the birthmarks are the key. So I still say that no artistic merit would be lost; it would be a hard argument to make to me. If race doesn't matter, then why would a reincarnation need to look similar to get the point across?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not familiar with the book, so I'll take your word for it on faithfulness to vision.

It seems like on the one hand, having the same actor should better convey it being the same person. However, having the same actor in terrible makeup is distracting. Having the same actor in adequately non-terrible makeup probably wouldn't be recognizable, thereby eliminating the reason to use the same actor to begin with...

[(Anonymous)]

Yea it's kinda weird to me that they used the same actors over the course of the film. I mean it would have made sense to use different actors, instead of using the same actors, with really bad makeup on.

Ironically, it's exactly the kind of movie people accuse SJW of doing. Talking the talk, but not walking the walk, i.e. arguing aggressively for equality on the internet or on film but not actually trying to change anything in the reality that exists.

Yea in a weird way it's almost a perfect mirror of that ideology.

[(Anonymous)]

Should have remained a book, where this kind of erasure can only happen in people's minds.

So reincarnation can be cultural/racial erasure as well?

[(Anonymous)]

I suspect they meant readers might imagine the characters as always looking white (or whatever) instead of mentally updating their appearances throughout.

[meadowphoenix]

This is what I meant. I probably should have stated that more carefully.

[(Anonymous)]

Why the fuck would I imagine people in Korea being white? I imagine them being Korean.

[scherrymouse]

Why the fuck would I imagine people in Korea being white? I imagine them being Korean.

Exactly. o.O

Sometimes I overlook character descriptions if they are brief (e.g. imagining a blond character with dark hair), but the book makes it pretty obvious that not all the characters are white? I never got the impression they all were, anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here. I image the characters as they are described.

What kind of people would image an entire books cast as white, o_O

[(Anonymous)]

People who are themselves more racist than the people they bitch about, and cover it up with a lot of noise making? I dunno. :P

[meadowphoenix]

You missed the hunger games movie controversy over Rue, didn't you?

[isana]

Apparently the same people who did the casting in 'Warm Bodies.'

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.

[rmg]

None of the artistic merit would have been lost by using the actual races and connecting them with a birthmark

like, you know, they did in the book

[isana]

This. ^^^

[isana]

THANK YOU.