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[(Anonymous)]

There are plenty of influential artists that don't have a cult like the Beatles.

Also, 'all the bands you listen to are influenced by them'? ALL? Yes, they had a big impact, but not THAT big...

[kaijinscendre]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles%27_influence_on_popular_culture

[(Anonymous)]

Still not everything, not by a longshot.

[(Anonymous)]

Because of The Beatles there was the British invasion, Bob Dylan went electric, then The Byrds created folk rock, The Beach Boys made Pet Sounds, there was the psychedelic era (Summer of Love), etc. Everyone from Ozzy Osbourne to David Bowie to The Ramones/The Clash/The Sex Pistols to Nirvana to Oasis were inspired to become musicians because of them.

All of those artists in turn went on to influence future generations, so yes, pretty much all bands were influenced by them in some way or another. I didn't even mention how they each individually were influential in how they played their instruments, creating the first concept album and essentially inventing MTV.

[(Anonymous)]

You are overestimating their importance, at least in the case of "inspired to become musicians because of them". Heard a song > liked the song > wanted to play music, really isn't an accomplishment on behalf of the Beatles.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I'm not. You only have to listen to the way those people talk about The Beatles to know how much they meant to them. It wasn't merely a case of 'liking a song'. The Beatles also taught The Rolling Stones how to write their own songs.

Some quotes:

Dave Grohl: "The Beatles were the first band I fell in love with. I got both the blue and red albums when I was about seven. When I started learning guitar, my mother gave me a chord book with all of The Beatles' songs in it. And I'd play along with the album. In the music, I started to discover arrangement and composition, melody and harmony. It was like a puzzle, just fascinating. They were far more complex than they let on.
Their sense of songwriting was so much deeper than just "Love Me Do" and "I Want To Hold Your Hand". It was heavier than typical AM radio pop. So everything I listened to after that was based on that idea of songwriting. I would gauge songs on that basis. It burned this impression in my head that every song must have melody somewhere. With the Foo Fighters, even when I try to come up with something as fucked up and dissonant as possible, there's always a thread of melody in there. And that's The Beatles' fault, not mine! It was like that in Nirvana, too. Kurt was the same way. The three of us grew up listening to The Beatles, then classic rock and punk. Somehow, it all came together. A lot of bands in the' 80s and '90s were the same way. It's the meeting of melody and dissonance."

Billy Joel: "If it wasn't for me seeing them that night on The Ed Sullivam Show, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing right now. I might not even be alive. I credit them with creating a lot of my life".

Bob Dylan: "They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid. I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."

"A lot of that Beatles influence comes from Steven [Tyler]'s collaboration with Mark Hudson, both of whom are absolute Beatle freaks... I guess the goal is to try and emulate probably some of the best music of the last 50 years, which has to be the Beatles." --Brad Whitford of Aerosmith

Brian Wilson: "I heard 'Rubber Soul' one night in my house here in LA, and I was so blown out that I said, 'I have to record an album as good or better than 'Rubber Soul.' If I ever do anything in my life, I'm going to make that good an album.'"

[(Anonymous)]

The Ramones were not particularly influenced by the Beatles, except in the sense that the Beatles had a world-historical impact on popular culture and rock music and every subsequent rock band came into being in a world that was shaped to a pretty huge extent. In terms of their musical style, it's much more shaped by stuff that came before the Beatles or didn't have much to do with them (classic 50s rock most of all). If you want to talk about European punk, again, not much specific musical influence - arguably, the whole Sex Pistols / Clash thing was a reaction against the people who really were the inheritors of what the Beatles were doing (like, yes, David Bowie). And so in some sense, yes, they would not have existed without the Beatles, but that's not really influence.

Bob Dylan's such an original its hard for me to give credence to the claim that the Beatles made him go electric. Altho that claim is really hard to prove one way or the other obviously. With the Beach Boys, I think the Beach Boys considered themselves at the time equals to the Beatles, more than anything. But there is some influence there, certainly Pet Sounds was perceived by them as a response to Rubber Soul.

If you want to talk about the Summer of Love, I would argue that the Beatles were part of that, rather than saying that they caused it or really influenced it. Their adoption of psychedelic shit and Indian mysticism was pretty much at the same time as other people were doing it and they certainly didn't play a big role in creating the hippie counterculture (altho again, that hippie counterculture was in part a product of the idea of Youth Culture that the Beatles played a huge role in).

But as I say, yes, on some level the Beatles influenced all subsequent acts in the sense that they were so popular and so influential and changed popular culture in so many ways. That doesn't mean that they had a specific influence on any given act, and I don't think it's ground for saying that their musical style was sufficiently disseminated to now sound generic... It's true we can't get the shock that the Beatles must have caused on their first release, and of course it's been remarked many times that things look different in life than they do in recollection and we'll never really know. But I think they can still be appreciated, and if someone doesn't like them, it's not necessarily because they've been outpaced by their influence.

[(Anonymous)]

In the case of The Ramones, The Clash and people like Johnny Rotten, I wasn't referring so much to their musical style as the fact that they have all said they wanted to be Beatles and admired them tremendously. Johnny Rotten said he was frustrated he didn't have the skills to be at the level of The Beatles but decided he wasn't going to let it stop him.

Johnny Ramone: “My favorite artists have always been Elvis and The Beatles, and they still are!"

As for Bob Dylan, it's been stated that songs like I Want to Hold Your Hand and House of the Rising Sun by The Animals inspired him to go electric. I highly doubt he did it simply because he's an original. Brian Wilson literally had a mental breakdown after Sgt. Pepper was released. The Beach Boys were certainly up there, but I don't think they considered themselves equal. One time some musicians and bands like The Rolling Stones were sharing the new music they came up with. Paul played a rough cut of A Day in the Life, and the room went completely silent.

Well The Beatles took LSD in 1965, and it was already reflecting in their music (they were also already spreading the message of love on Rubber Soul). The psychedelic movement was still very underground at this point. Their use of the sitar (first band to use it), Indian music and bringing psychedelic music to the mainstream absolutely influenced the era. The Grateful Dead have also directly stated they went from being a jug band to taking music more seriously because of The Beatles.

I do fully agree with your last point.