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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-24 03:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2273 ]


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[personal profile] oftheark 2013-03-25 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
This is the first I've heard anyone referring to OtGaP as a direct prequel to the 30s movie. It was certainly not promoted that way and it actually doesn't line up with the move, especially the witches. Absolutely nothing we see of them in WoO is supported by OtGaP.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2013-03-25 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
Lol.

The witch of the west is green, and almost none (except for the china doll) of the novel elements incorporated into the movie were promoted by movie posters or interviews or pictures of scenes. Not so for the movie elements (I mean seriously the poster has a green witch on it looking exactly like the movie witch, arguably the most reminiscent symbol they could have used. Are you seriously saying they weren't trying for that?). The witches line up with the movie far more than they do with the books, although tbf you're going to have to explain what you doesn't think lines up.

There's a difference between support and contradiction, which one are you saying? Nothing that happens seems contradicted by WoO, which in a prequel is the only issue.
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[personal profile] oftheark 2013-03-25 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
Wicked also has a green witch, and lines up better with the movie (hell, it even incorporates the Dorothy element) than this one did, imo.

What did I find different? Glinda was like a robot in OtGaP who went on and on about how she was a former princess. In WoO, Glinda is snarky and full of personality. Theodora, if we'll call her that, is only who she is because of what her sister did to her and seems hell bent on destroying the Wizard. In WoO she doesn't give a damn about the Wizard (and for that matter, neither does Glinda save to send Dorothy to him), mourns her sister's death and only wants the damn shoes back. The only one who fits who he's supposed to be is the Wizard himself; he's still a bumbling moron using the same tricks to fool the people of Oz into thinking he's someone he's not.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2013-03-25 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
Do I have to explain subversive and straight adaptations again?

1)Why would you need to incorporate Dorothy in a prequel that ends before Dorothy gets there? Dorothy being or not being there doesn't make it less of a prequel. It certainly doesn't make it less of a straight one.

2)I said Wicked was a subversive adaptation. I never said it was an adaptation of the books. It's an adaptation of the movie, with book elements thrown in. A subversive one.

3)All that just makes it a bad straight adaptation. Again, it doesn't make it less of a straight one. The characters are in the position they are in when the movie starts, and the OtGaP explains, perfectly straight, how they got there. Personality traits may inform the straightness or subversiveness, but they are by no means dispositive. There is no commentary about the social assumptions of the audience and no intent to screw with any of those assumptions. It's a straight adaptation.

Just like WoO is a straight adaptation of the novels, despite the many various changes they made to plot and character.

4)Glinda is not full of personality in the movie, stop.
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[personal profile] charming_stranger 2013-03-25 01:33 pm (UTC)(link)
2)I said Wicked was a subversive adaptation. I never said it was an adaptation of the books. It's an adaptation of the movie, with book elements thrown in. A subversive one.

Well, strictly speaking the musical is an adaptation of the book, only it's not The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, but Gregory Maguire's Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West ... Which is, of course, a subversive adaptation of the Wizard of Oz movie, and I'll stop my nitpicking now.

Sorry if you already knew this; I certainly didn't until after I saw the musical, and it wouldn't surprise me if many people don't.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2013-03-25 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't worry, I was talking about Wicked the book, in that point. I probably should have been clearer.