[ SECRET POST #2280 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2280 ⌋

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Comments

[fenm]

if you think Johnlock isn't happening because of audience scare

Where did I mention the audience? "American TV" implies, to me at least, the people MAKING the shows, not the people watching them.

take it up with Arthur Conan Doyle, his estate

You know Sherlock Holmes is public domain, right? No one officially owns it, so anyone can pretty do whatever they want with it. For that matter, even when he was alive, Doyle himself was always very hands-off when it came to what other people did in regards to Holmes.

Also, they made Adler gay; explain to me why Holmes and Watson being gay would somehow be worse?

ntm, the old argument about whether Sherlock is sexual at all.

Moffat has said he's not asexual. Apparently they're "boring to write about".

& bonus homophobic Moffat.

... which goes back to it being about the people who make the show, not those who watch it. Which was my point.

[(Anonymous)]

When/where did Moffat say he's not asexual? Curious.

[fenm]

Here.

The relevant parts:

"There's no indication in the original stories that he was asexual or gay. He actually says he declines the attention of women because he doesn't want the distraction. What does that tell you about him? [...]"

It's not like he could be declining the attention of women because he's not interested, right? Which would be the case if he were gay or asexual.

"If he was asexual, there would be no tension in that, no fun in that – it's someone who abstains who's interesting."

[(Anonymous)]

Moffat has said he's not asexual. Apparently they're "boring to write about".

Yay, another reason for me to not like Steven Moffat.

[fenm]

Indeed.

[anonymouslyyours]

I don't understand? He writes him in a way that reads to a lot of people as asexual and hasn't explored Sherlock's sexuality but won't actually write him as asexual because they're boring? ...what does he think asexuals are/do? How does he think sexuality affects characters and plots when it isn't present?

Is he saying needs to have the headcanon that Sherlock is attracted to someone sometime somewhere to find him interesting to write in non-sexual situations?

[fenm]

He writes him in a way that reads to a lot of people as asexual

Yeah, that's the funny thing: For all the "OMG, Sherlock is SOOO straight, you guize!" he's never read MORE asexual to me than in some parts of ASiB... Irene kisses him on the cheek and he jumps away from her like a scalded cat, for Pete's sake!

Is he saying needs to have the headcanon [...]

I don't even pretend to know how his mind works. Nor would I care if not for the fact that his opinions and views seep into his writing and affect shows I watch.

[(Anonymous)]

You know Sherlock Holmes is public domain, right? No one officially owns it, so anyone can pretty do whatever they want with it.

Okay. That's all well and good, but you're still assuming that Sherlock and John would be canonically gay if there weren't Social Stigmas simply because you personally would like it if they were. And, thing is, you and others like you are actually just as bad as homophobes, because you can't conceive of two men being close to one another outside of them having a romantic and sexual relationship (yet you'll accept similar closeness from women and not immediately jump to the assumption that they're In Lurrrrveeee).

[fenm]

because you can't conceive of two men being close to one another outside of them having a romantic and sexual relationship

And you know this how? You're basing your assumption on ONE show I like. You have no idea what other shows I watch (or books I read, or music I listen to, etc.), what sorts of relationships men on those shows/books/etc. have, and how I feel about those relationships.

[biohazardgirl]

Fenm never said that kind of closeness from female leads never inspired shipping in her, nor did she say she ships all men in close relationships and never sees them as friends. Fenm just said that she's tired of the queerbaiting with no payoff, especially since she ships the ship. That doesn't make her homophobic, that just makes her reasonable.

Also for the record I don't ship BBC Sherlock/John, I'm just defending based on common sense.