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Evolutionary psychology?

lol

Do you think prey animals avoiding predators is evo psych?

Do you think prey animals generally have the level of sapience required to appreciate death as a concept to fear?

You're simplified analogy ignores both the way in which fear of death is uniquely human*, and that even if we change the meaning to apply it to other animals that my nature of that very intelligence we might react to it in an entirely different fashion.

*I guess you could make an argument for dolphins, whales etc

..."sapience?"

..."You're?"

"Sapience is often defined as wisdom, or the ability of an organism or entity to act with appropriate judgment, a mental faculty which is a component of intelligence or alternatively may be considered an additional faculty, apart from intelligence, with its own properties. Robert Sternberg[33] has segregated the capacity for judgment from the general qualifiers for intelligence, which is closer to cognizant aptitude than to wisdom. Displaying sound judgment in a complex, dynamic environment is a hallmark of wisdom.

The word sapience is derived from the Latin sapientia, meaning "wisdom".[34] Related to this word is the Latin verb sapere, meaning "to taste, to be wise, to know"; the present participle of sapere forms part of Homo sapiens, the Latin binomial nomenclature created by Carolus Linnaeus to describe the human species. Linnaeus had originally given humans the species name of diurnus, meaning man of the day. But he later decided that the dominating feature of humans was wisdom, hence application of the name sapiens. His chosen biological name was intended to emphasize man's uniqueness and separation from the rest of the animal kingdom".

p.s. dyslexia, check your ableism.

LOL at "correcting grammar/spelling is ableist."

What a stupid world that would be. "Oh, can't correct the spelling on this kid's essay! That would be flaunting my privilege!" "Oh, can't have spelling tests anymore! That would be unfair and bigoted!" "Oh, can't teach grammar! It's harmful for certain people to be reminded of it!"

I was mostly being tongue in cheek whilst offering an explanation as to why I made such a seemingly simple mistake.

Whilst you on the other hand you entirely ignored anything of value in my post to focus on the most minor of corrections, well that and being wrong about the proper usage of a word.

There's not really anything of value in an argument that denies the perfectly reasonable probability that the human aversion to death has an evolutionary basis simply because humans are capable of a higher level of mental function than other animals.

You haven't established that any evolutionary conditioned behaviour would be towards death specifically. I'll grant you an instinctual fear towards harm, drowning, or heights is probable, but death as a dissolution of self? You're going to need a bit more there.

Why on earth would it not be towards death? What sort of advantage would a creature have that is not oriented toward surviving (which involves, well...not dying)? And why are you treating death as something that always has to have some sort of bent philosophical component? Death is a physical thing that happens, regardless whether there's some nebulous higher "self" involved, and it's bad. And none of the fears that you listed would exist if it were not for the fact that avoiding those situations happens to also help one avoid dying.

The part you're getting hung up is the fact that humans have a capacity to philosophize, and so they do. But "philosophizing about death makes evolutionary sense" is not the same as "having an aversion to death makes evolutionary sense."

Yeah, more or less this.

I don't wake up in the morning thinking oh god I'm gonna die I'm gonna die. It doesn't keep me up at night. But I can't say I don't fear it, because... it's death. I don't have existential crises about it but I also keep away from cliffs, watch for traffic and get worried if I'm followed.

I think the anon who originally responded is reading a bit too much into the concept of fear, here. I'm not talking about endless dread. Nothing a psychologist would diagnose as a problem. Just a natural aversion to the end of me.

Edited 2013-04-05 03:27 (UTC)

You didn't correct. You implied that nothing ayrt wrote was worth reading because they mad a minor mistake, and then they (successfully) made you look like an idiot for it.

Oh, it wasn't worth reading for other reasons, but the mistake was more interesting than the argument.

Have you ever seen a wildlife documentary? Or even part of one? I've never seen an animal in any those that didn't fear death.

But they didn't really fear it because they didn't sit down and wax poetical and write a treatise on it. Animals can't do that, you see. Ergo, animals can't feel fear.

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