[ SECRET POST #2286 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2286 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

except no. I cannot count how many straight girl m/m shippers I've run into who don't support gay marriage or doesn't support lesbians.

being an ally is hell of a lot more. would you like a cookie?

[ill_omened]

To the assembled, too many responses to reply individually.

I have literally never seen this outside like two examples of religious nutjobs with all kinds of personal issues. I'm not saying it's not true or something that happens, but I'd be very surprised to see they made up any kind of meaningful percentage. Actually I'd be curious now for some kind of study on this.

To you specifically anon, care to expand on your point? I think I get what you're saying, but would like to be absolutely sure before I jump down your throat.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but I think it's something that I notice more and that pings my radar specifically as a queer woman. I've seen a fair number of straight women in fandom who ship m/m couples but are seriously prejudiced against lesbians or bisexual women and can even be hostile toward them, or have issues with queer people of any gender outside of the realm of fiction. Just because someone thinks two dudes together is hot doesn't mean that they're going to support queer rights or necessarily see actual queer people as more than just fap fodder. If that were the case, I think we'd see more straight men who watch f/f porn supporting queer rights (there are some out there, I'm sure, but I don't think anyone would say there aren't a fair amount who just think two chicks together are hot and don't give a shit about actual queer women). I don't think the people who fetishize homosexuality and have a disconnect between support of queerness in fiction vs real life are the majority of fandom, but I don't think they're a negligible percentage, either.

[ill_omened]

The lesbian fetishisation by straight men is just part of a patriarchal expression of culture, whereas the balance with women fetishising gay men isn't quite as imbalanced (and the cultural forces at play are far more complicated).

Plus one is acceptable and considered the norm, whilst the other is rarely remarked upon by the mainstream at best, and at worst seen as deviant.

[(Anonymous)]

None of which means that fetishization of male homosexuality doesn't exist or isn't prevalent in certain subsets of fandom. It may not be as accepted by society as a whole, but it is the norm (or at the very least, widely accepted or popular) in a number of fandom cultures. Straight women in fandom who ship slash couples and don't give a crap about lesbians, bisexual women, trans people, or even real-life gay men, aside from their use as a "sassy gay friend", exist and they aren't the rare unicorn that you seem to think they are.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

There are a lot of yaoi fangirls who, if the topic of lesbians come up, go on and on about how it's 'gross' and 'wrong' [amongst other things], and the majority that I've dealt with? Not religious. Actually, most of the people I've run across in fandom as a whole aren't religious including the groups being mentioned here.

[(Anonymous)]

It's common all right, it's very common. I used to watch some of the conservative coms and there are a lot of m/m writers and fans there who are completely against equal marriage.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if it was a conservative comm, it stands to reason the number of people opposed would be higher. They're called conservative for a reason. But that still doesn't mean it's a prevailing opinion among all groups.

I think Ill_omened was asking for more concrete statistics rather than anecdata.

[(Anonymous)]

I've told this story on fandomsecrets before, but I knew several such girls. One in particular was a friend of mine through high school and part of college, who traded yaoi manga and fanfics and fanart with me regularly, but who was not-so-subtly trying to "fix" me by bringing me to her church youth group once she found out I was actually gay and not just a guy who happened to like yaoi.

It's also worth considering that even if these fans are in favor of gay causes, some of them think they're an "ally" just for reblogging a rainbow flag or changing their icons. I've met several self-proclaimed "pro-gay" fangirls who said voting was a waste of time. The word "ally" is so watered down by these people it's not even worth anything anymore.