[ SECRET POST #2291 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2291 ⌋

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Comments

[silverr]

(Choosing to take this seriously)

I agree with you, that labeling a focus on male characters and squeeing henceforth isn't misogyny (perhaps chauvinism is a batter word?). The bashing of female characters, however (and I do note that you qualified it as "unfortunate") I WOULD consider misogyny.

And a side question that comes out of your very generous offer (:p): do you consider everyone who enjoys any yaoi manga to be fetishing you? (because when I beam at the characters in, say, Crimson Spell and cheer for their romance, I do so not because it's two men, but because it's two people who are overcoming obstacles together and discovering how much they mean to each other. To some of us, the hearts and souls are the important part: the genitalia are incidental.

[(Anonymous)]

I know a lot of people who will cry out "GAY FETISHIZER" for even reading a simple m/m book so yes. Unless you're gay you're pretty much a gay fetishizer.

[silverr]

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And that sort of thinking just astounds me. It's ... do such folk seriously advocate that we all only write/read/think about about whatever ticky box we are? Do they truly believe that there is nothing universally human? That love and passion are specific to each category of coupling, and incomprehensible to others?

Might as well bring back segregation and the Warsaw Ghetto, then.

/end curmudgeon

[(Anonymous)]

Lots of ignorance. I've had a friend ask me why I "cared" about queer fics when I'm straight and I could not relate to it. She deducted that I had a weird gay fetish because apparently all of these things are just porn and nothing else.

[silverr]

When I hear about that sort of thing (see: WBC) I can never decide whether to go into Old Hippy Mode or Exasperated Misanthropy Mode. ~ I mean, where did "Nothing human is alien to me" go? Granted, I can't actually truly know what it's like to have testicles, but things like losing track of a conversation because you're distracted by the curve of someone's lips ... or feeling empty when you lose your best friend ... that's really not chromosome-differentiated.

[(Anonymous)]

The bashing of female characters is just bashing. The bashing of female characters because they're female is misogyny.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! At least someone in fandom understands what misogyny actually is. I'm so sick of this word being used so frequently and so incorrectly.

[writerserenyty]

This is true, however I think it's worth it to mention that it doesn't have to be consciously because they're female, it can be an unconscious bias. If you praise a male character for being assertive but you bash a female character (in that same universe) for that same trait because she's a "bitch," there's a good chance there's a gender issue involved.

[(Anonymous)]

There can be "a gender issue involved" without it being misogyny. That's sexism, and misogyny is a very different thing. Plenty of people (most?) hold sexist views without being misogynists.

[(Anonymous)]

The bashing of female characters...I would consider misogyny.

I bash the fuck out of Bella Swan from Twilight (for example). And sorry to burst your bubble, that's not me being misogynistic. That's me thinking she's a stupid fucking character and loving to hate on her.

[silverr]

Yeah, sorry, my thoughts left my words behind: I was mostly thinking of the cliche that fans hate one of the characters in a canon relationship because it gets in the way of whatever 'ship they ship the other character with.

P.S. No bubbles here.

[(Anonymous)]

What people seem to completely forget is that for a lot of people, it's actually the other way around: they ship another ship because they don't like one of the characters in a canon relationship. Nine times out of ten, if I prefer another ship to the canon one, that's the reason for it.