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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-04-11 06:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #2291 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2291 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-04-12 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
So what about the 'kin who ARE PoC, LGBT, disabled, neuroatypical (I mean besides the 'kin thing), etc, etc?

Of the 'kin I know personally (I myself am not one), let's see... there's my boyfriend, who's Anglo-Indian and autistic, there's my sister's friend, who's a black transwoman, there's a friend I have in the next town who's disabled and a lesbian... I'm just curious, because it seems to be assumed by the majority of detractors that all 'kin are white, cishet, ablebodied, and generally privileged in all ways in their general lives.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2013-04-12 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
And all of those people have some real struggles.

Being Fox McCloud or Yuffie isn't one of them.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-12 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
They do, yeah. My issue is that it seems to be assumed that a) 'kin are always unaware of systematic oppression and b) 'kin conflate "being otherkin is an issue" with "being otherkin is a subject of oppression", when actually, most of the people I've seen conflating those two things are people arguing that all 'kin are awful.

I will freely admit that 'kin are not oppressed for being 'kin. I will not, however, admit that being 'kin isn't a struggle for them. I've spent enough time around 'kin to know that, whether or not it's literally true that they're in the wrong body and whatever the actual cause of their feelings, for at least some of them, it is a real struggle. Not least because, despite general opinion, most of the 'kin I know are rational enough to know that their feelings about themselves don't fit into the worldview provided by science. That means they tend to feel (again, in my limited experience) that either the world's insane or they are, and whether or not you believe it's them that's insane, that can't be easy.
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[personal profile] darael 2013-04-12 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Being what I feel I am (I would say "believe", but as will become clear, that's not the best description...) doesn't cause me any problems... because physically, I'm a human being. Neurologically, I'm a human being with probable Asperger Syndrome. And rationally, I shouldn't be anything but a human being. Whatever else I may be, I am human, and I know it.

The otherkin-related struggle (as opposed to the racial and neuroatypical struggles, which are a whole other kettle of halberds) is primarily internal: As I said, rationally, there is no good reason for me to be convinced I'm other-than-human. And the constant doubt tears me apart - but the thing is, if I deny it, it is far, far worse. I know, because I have spent years at a time trying to ignore it, trying to treat myself as only-human. It wouldn't go away.

The only external struggle I face to do with being otherkin is if I start posting in a thread like this, where people are primed to assume that everything I feel is made up for attention. I can think of a myriad myriad better ways to get attention than ones that result in the kind of hatred some people express towards otherkin*, and I am very glad that said hatred doesn't spill over into the real world, because I get quite enough as a brown-skinned person. And, just to be clear, that wasn't me equating the two struggles - it was attempting to show that I understand from the inside of both how different they are in degree, and the same thing applies to other areas of oppression where I don't have the internal experience.

But then, I'm feeding a troll, here, so I don't really expect a reasoned response.

*Let alone the foetal-position antics [personal profile] ungoddly back when they were too lazy to log in...
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[personal profile] ungoddly 2013-04-12 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
YES OKAY THANK YOU I WAS LAZY AND PROTECTING THY SECRET IDENTITY.

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