[ SECRET POST #2291 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2291 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

look, i don't give a shit if you wanna pretend you are a wolf or what-fucking-ever. but most otherkin and folks like them try to co-opt the VERY REAL discrimination and suffering POC, LGBT, and other minority people face. people who do that can shiv themselves up the dick. pretending to be an otterdragon on the internet isn't the same shit as being trans* in real life, etc etc. jesus fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

agree 100%

[(Anonymous)]

Very probably you're right, there are arseholes in every group.

But, and it seems like I spend more time than I'd like arguing this point, You can't judge and dismiss a whole group of people based on the action of the worst membes of the group.

People are being treat like shit for very little reason. You see the problem with that? Maybe you don't, Maybe it seems rational for you to support that shitty behaviour, but there's never been a double standard in history that didn't have masses of justifications that seem rational to the people benefiting from it. See what I mean?

[(Anonymous)]

you sound like the person who goes into a thread on rape where victims are sharing their mutual feelings of hating men with, "come on guys, not all men are bad! There's no need to judge the entire group on the actions of a few!"

[(Anonymous)]

You mean a sane, rational person?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, no. I've not been involved in that debate yet, I was thinking of other arguments.

But yeah, feel free to bring up a topic with stronger emotions in an attempt to turn this into a more thorny debate because... actually why are you trying to goodwin me with a rape argument?

[(Anonymous)]

So somebody that can see the toxic attitude brewing that will likely be to the detriment of all and, albeit naively, is trying to stop it?

But it's not like that at all, because it's just fucking otherkin.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Believing that that you're actually Naruto, Princess Peach, a piece of cold pizza, and/or Justin Bieber isn't the same as facing real-life discrimination. Worse, I think some of these people do have real mental/emotional problems that she be treated right away (not "respected").

[darael]

...and I don't know of any who claim it is.

I do, however, know quite a few who have concluded - quite reasonably, given the reactions in this thread - that if they were to tell people they might well face real-life discrimination, though not systematic oppression.

[(Anonymous)]

So what about the 'kin who ARE PoC, LGBT, disabled, neuroatypical (I mean besides the 'kin thing), etc, etc?

Of the 'kin I know personally (I myself am not one), let's see... there's my boyfriend, who's Anglo-Indian and autistic, there's my sister's friend, who's a black transwoman, there's a friend I have in the next town who's disabled and a lesbian... I'm just curious, because it seems to be assumed by the majority of detractors that all 'kin are white, cishet, ablebodied, and generally privileged in all ways in their general lives.

[insanenoodlyguy]

And all of those people have some real struggles.

Being Fox McCloud or Yuffie isn't one of them.

[(Anonymous)]

They do, yeah. My issue is that it seems to be assumed that a) 'kin are always unaware of systematic oppression and b) 'kin conflate "being otherkin is an issue" with "being otherkin is a subject of oppression", when actually, most of the people I've seen conflating those two things are people arguing that all 'kin are awful.

I will freely admit that 'kin are not oppressed for being 'kin. I will not, however, admit that being 'kin isn't a struggle for them. I've spent enough time around 'kin to know that, whether or not it's literally true that they're in the wrong body and whatever the actual cause of their feelings, for at least some of them, it is a real struggle. Not least because, despite general opinion, most of the 'kin I know are rational enough to know that their feelings about themselves don't fit into the worldview provided by science. That means they tend to feel (again, in my limited experience) that either the world's insane or they are, and whether or not you believe it's them that's insane, that can't be easy.

[darael]

Being what I feel I am (I would say "believe", but as will become clear, that's not the best description...) doesn't cause me any problems... because physically, I'm a human being. Neurologically, I'm a human being with probable Asperger Syndrome. And rationally, I shouldn't be anything but a human being. Whatever else I may be, I am human, and I know it.

The otherkin-related struggle (as opposed to the racial and neuroatypical struggles, which are a whole other kettle of halberds) is primarily internal: As I said, rationally, there is no good reason for me to be convinced I'm other-than-human. And the constant doubt tears me apart - but the thing is, if I deny it, it is far, far worse. I know, because I have spent years at a time trying to ignore it, trying to treat myself as only-human. It wouldn't go away.

The only external struggle I face to do with being otherkin is if I start posting in a thread like this, where people are primed to assume that everything I feel is made up for attention. I can think of a myriad myriad better ways to get attention than ones that result in the kind of hatred some people express towards otherkin*, and I am very glad that said hatred doesn't spill over into the real world, because I get quite enough as a brown-skinned person. And, just to be clear, that wasn't me equating the two struggles - it was attempting to show that I understand from the inside of both how different they are in degree, and the same thing applies to other areas of oppression where I don't have the internal experience.

But then, I'm feeding a troll, here, so I don't really expect a reasoned response.

*Let alone the foetal-position antics ungoddly back when they were too lazy to log in...

[ungoddly]

YES OKAY THANK YOU I WAS LAZY AND PROTECTING THY SECRET IDENTITY.

Darael: his mutant power is logic and missing words out. yes I am a pedant shhh