[ SECRET POST #2293 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2293 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fauxkaren]

It's so annoying because it's really a somewhat minor part of BOTH their characters. But the way fandom fixates on it you'd think it was their defining trait.

[saturnofthemoon]

I know, Jon doesn't even mention Catelyn after the first book.

[(Anonymous)]

It's curious that fandom reaction to Tywin's practically disinheriting his trueborn son because of a physical disability is justified (he wouldn't have respect because he's a dwarf!!!) and makes Tywin a complex character with real motivations, while Catelyn's simple ignoring Jon's existence is treated as Worst Thing Ever and she's a horrible person for not having motherly feelings toward a child that is not her own.

[(Anonymous)]

Not just a child who isn't her own, but one that her husband fathered on another woman, and then, going against custom, insisted be raised at Winterfell with her children against her will. It's a direct affront to her honor as Ned's wife.

[(Anonymous)]

Honor?

Shitty reason to hate an innocent child. The book even calls honor, what is it, "so much wind and words"?

Especially when her social standing isn't improved by being a hateful person to Jon and inflicting more misery on herself and him.

[(Anonymous)]

Except in the books, it wasn't Jon himself that she hated, it was his presence at Winterfell. A bastard being raised among her own trueborn children was a direct insult to her, and a threat to their inheritance. I think you're trying to impose a very limited modern perspective onto something that doesn't have a modern equivalent.

[(Anonymous)]

And I think you're making excuses that really shouldn't be made... Cat isn't stupid. There's no reason why she shouldn't question society's mores. Other characters have done it.

There was a lot of gross stigma and weird beliefs about disabled people in the non-modern perspective, and that doesn't give Tywin a free pass for being a dick to his son for being born a dwarf.

And having been a personal witness to the very gross "the bastard/new kid is going to steal your inheritence!!!11" obsession from a parent in modern times, I can tell you it's still alive and well and completely disgusting and inexcusable.

There are very few excusable reasons for treating people like shit. There are even less when it comes to helpless children.

As for the "insult", that's a just a completely worthless excuse. It's basically saying that protecting one's pride is a good reason to be vicious to people. It's really not.

Chalk it up to society's mores: fine. But that is essentially admitting that Cat is close-minded and uncritical of the very flawed society around her. Which doesn't make her omg!evil in my opinin, but it's admittedly not an attractive set of traits in a character.