[ SECRET POST #2296 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2296 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I did not know that about teachers. How long ago are we talking here?

[(Anonymous)]

I was mostly thinking about the 19th century, but I'm sure it still applied in the early 20th? And even today people seem more understanding towards teachers choosing not to have children. If you don't believe me, I LITERALLY had a conversation where both my friend (who's a female teacher) and I said that we don't want children. The person we were talking to thought that was normal for my friend, who works with children all day, but not for me because I don't work with children and clearly I would want to have children in my life, somehow.

Also, even if times have changed, the trope of the unmarried childless old maid teacher stuck around far longer than the social reality.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not denying that this trope exists and that it used to be very pervasive, but it doesn't match my experience at all. Starting with the fact that we had 4-5 pairs of married teachers in my school. And I think most of the teachers had children. Also, I had some friends whose parents were teachers.

[(Anonymous)]

That...is not my experience at all. I don't doubt your experience or the trope, just...very opposite of what my own life experience has been.

[lunabee34]

*nods*

I agree with your comment. I don't doubt the OP's personal experience, but mine is very different.

In fact, in my experience, women who want to raise families often go into education because the flexible schedule and time off that coincides with school vacations is very conducive to child-rearing. The Victorian governess was traditionally childless (for many reasons that don't really apply in modern settings), but I don't think that trend applies to educators in the K-12 arena.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, same here. My mom used to babysit when I was growing up and almost every single kid she babysat had a parent who was a teacher. Although I went to a smaller school in a small town, so I'm unsure how much of an influence that may have had.

[(Anonymous)]

That hasn't been my experience, either. Most of my teachers (both male and female) had children. Sometimes together. And I've only just now realized how many kids I grew up with who had at least one parent teaching in our school district and quite a few who had both parents.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you not understand the part when they said that the trope stuck around *LONGER* than the reality?

Giving an example of how the reality has changed isn't furthering the conversation - it's literally repeating what's already been mentioned.

[fuchsiascreams]

what country do you guys all live in? holy shit.

[(Anonymous)]

My Grandparents got married before my Grandfather left for WWII. They had to hide their marriage because they couldn't afford for my Grandmother to quit teaching. She taught both at the high school and college level. My Grandfather was helping to support his younger sibling and his mother and my Grandmother was helping to support the family farm. Things changed shortly after that for married women and teaching.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually around that time almost all women had to stop working the moment they got married no matter their profession. Both my grandmothers stopped working (outside the house/farm) when they got married in the 40s/50s.

[(Anonymous)]

da

"Had to" or "it was socially expected for them to stop dicking around with a silly little hobby job and start keeping house like a real woman"? Also, generally, the lower down the social/wealth ladder you go, the more working women you find, historically.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

In my country, "had to". You had to give up your job when you got married. And my grandparents were working class when they got married (my grandmother had been working in a factory). They got married in 1949.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not even that long ago. When I was in elementary school (about 20 years ago), many of my (female) teachers didn't have any children of their own despite being married.

[(Anonymous)]

Considering you were in elementary school, how do you know it wasn't because a) they were child-free, b) they had medical problems that kept them from conceiving or c) they were putting off having kids because of Reasons?