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Oh, ffs, people in this thread are being dense. Traditionally female teachers and governesses often did not marry and have children. So I don't think OP meant that being a teacher is a negative thing, but that for teachers it's socially acceptable not to have children. While every other woman in a different field of work would ~obviously~ want children.

You said it better than I could before I could. Thank you. That is exactly what I meant.

In fact in many instances, if a teacher had kids, they could no longer be a teacher, so yes, being a teacher is a trope on par with psychopath and crazy.

What time period are we talking about here? Because Harry Potter was set in modern times (read 1990s), not the Victorian age.

HP may have been set in modern times, but the wizarding world was certainly stuck in the past with many of their ideas and problems, as well as their whole educational system.

Re: OP Here

morieris - 2013-04-16 23:20 (UTC) - Expand

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fuchsiascreams - 2013-04-17 18:31 (UTC) - Expand

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True, but the trope still stuck. If a teacher doesn't want to have children, people say, "oh, of course, you work with children all day, so you don't want any at home." If any other woman doesn't want to have children, even today, a lot of people will say things like, "you will change your mind when you get older." Because clearly all women want to be around children, ideally as a mother or at least as a teacher.

Yeah, no, it's not.

being a teacher is a trope on par with psychopath and crazy.

No.

Yes, the institution not allowing you to have children totally makes you the same as the deluded and the psychos.

Oh yeah.

I remember that one time I had a teacher who told me she had a kid. All the sudden the door was busted down and the feds dragged her out. The next day we had a new teacher who was properly childless...

except that never happened. I've had plenty of teachers who had kids. One of my favorite English teachers had a kid.

nyxelestia - 2013-04-17 01:39 (UTC) - Expand

"being a teacher is a trope on par with psychopath and crazy."

Still no.

Yay, someone said it! I thought this was fairly obvious.

a) It's a fantasy world full of wizards, I wasn't sure how VICTORIAN it was supposed to be.

b) Harry Potter is set in contemporary times.

c) Is there some kind of Wizarding rule regarding teachers and whether or not they are allowed to procreate?

d) Plenty of real-life teachers have children.

e) The wording of this secret was poor and made it appear that being a teacher and being a psychopath were similar things.

Is there some kind of Wizarding rule regarding teachers and whether or not they are allowed to procreate?

No they are allowed to both procreate and be married. Rowling never really goes into the personal lives of any of the teachers but Dumbledore though.

I mean, at the very least, Tonks and Lupin are teachers and weren't they in a relationship?

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(Anonymous) - 2013-04-17 00:40 (UTC) - Expand

Really? I did not know that about teachers. How long ago are we talking here?

I was mostly thinking about the 19th century, but I'm sure it still applied in the early 20th? And even today people seem more understanding towards teachers choosing not to have children. If you don't believe me, I LITERALLY had a conversation where both my friend (who's a female teacher) and I said that we don't want children. The person we were talking to thought that was normal for my friend, who works with children all day, but not for me because I don't work with children and clearly I would want to have children in my life, somehow.

Also, even if times have changed, the trope of the unmarried childless old maid teacher stuck around far longer than the social reality.

I'm not denying that this trope exists and that it used to be very pervasive, but it doesn't match my experience at all. Starting with the fact that we had 4-5 pairs of married teachers in my school. And I think most of the teachers had children. Also, I had some friends whose parents were teachers.

That...is not my experience at all. I don't doubt your experience or the trope, just...very opposite of what my own life experience has been.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-04-17 03:43 (UTC) - Expand

That hasn't been my experience, either. Most of my teachers (both male and female) had children. Sometimes together. And I've only just now realized how many kids I grew up with who had at least one parent teaching in our school district and quite a few who had both parents.

(Anonymous) - 2013-04-17 23:54 (UTC) - Expand

what country do you guys all live in? holy shit.

My Grandparents got married before my Grandfather left for WWII. They had to hide their marriage because they couldn't afford for my Grandmother to quit teaching. She taught both at the high school and college level. My Grandfather was helping to support his younger sibling and his mother and my Grandmother was helping to support the family farm. Things changed shortly after that for married women and teaching.

Actually around that time almost all women had to stop working the moment they got married no matter their profession. Both my grandmothers stopped working (outside the house/farm) when they got married in the 40s/50s.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-04-17 09:09 (UTC) - Expand

It's not even that long ago. When I was in elementary school (about 20 years ago), many of my (female) teachers didn't have any children of their own despite being married.

Considering you were in elementary school, how do you know it wasn't because a) they were child-free, b) they had medical problems that kept them from conceiving or c) they were putting off having kids because of Reasons?

THIS. Thank you.