[ SECRET POST #2296 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2296 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand that, but I think I just came across a lot of fans around that time who were just legitimately sad about it, and I just have trouble being sad when it's too obvious what writers were trying to get from me.

And while I liked them well enough, I didn't love them or really care that they died. I could get pissed about the poor treatment, but I don't know I've, given up? Like Supernatural is just not one of those shows I expect anything better from anymore. I tend to get more irritated when a show that did well with female characters goes downhill, Supernatural has just always been crap at it.

[meredith44]

For me, it, followed by Anna's situation, was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, Supernatural (show and fandom) was often crap at dealing with female characters, but it wasn't quite enough to make me give up on it. That was. I've not watched since.

So, I suppose I'm saying I can see your point. If you'd already given up on SPN being decent for female characters, I can understand why you'd react less to that.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that they were only brought back to die and get a reaction from fans was precisely why I railed about their deaths.

Basically what the anon above you said. That was my main issue with Ellen and Jo's deaths. They had already been written off; when they died in 510 - and, IIRC, were only brought back in 501 and then again in 510 - it was clear that they had ONLY been brought back to be killed off again. And narratively, I get it - it upped the stakes for Sam and Dean, made them more personally invested in stopping Lucifer, etc. etc. It just sucked though. Not only because they were strong female characters (and I always loved them both back in S2) but because they were part of Sam and Dean's extended family, and their deaths started the theme of Sam and Dean losing everything they love. Well, didn't start it really, but to me, 510 is when the show really started getting depressing. (It's not been consistently depressing since then, but I do think the downward spiral started around that time.)

All of this is a long-winded way of saying why I was affected by Ellen and Jo's deaths. And, FWIW, the other thing for me is that I started watching the show in S6; so I watched the first 5 1/2 seasons in one go, and for me, their deaths felt sudden and abrupt.

I hear you though with the lowered expectations. I haven't gotten there yet, myself, but I understand where you're coming from.