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⌈ Secret Post #2297 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/1KPm3XJ.png

[(Anonymous)]

What show?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Pan Am :)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1826805/

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

huh.

I thought that got canceled.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP here

As far as I know it did, but I just ran across it recently and I basically mainlined the entire first season.

[(Anonymous)]

Total agreement. I loved Pan Am and it's a damn shame it was cancelled so soon.

[(Anonymous)]

Also: canon lesbian.

[(Anonymous)]

That is a horribly inaccurate description of Mad Men.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

So the fact that the show features Don Draper (man), Roger Sterling (man), Pete Campbell (weasel masquerading as a man), Salvatore Romano (man) - plus lots more, oh wait, and Peggy Olsen (woman) and Joan Holloway (woman)...

doesn't indicate a trend?

Sure, women find their own agency and their own power in the Mad Men verse, but the camera inevitably seems to look more at the men than the women do.

Pan Am subverts this, even while retaining the 1960s Truth in Television power dynamic of men retaining cultural superiority.

Re: OP

[fadeinthewash]

I'm not going to argue that men get a heavier focus in Mad Men (especially one man in particular, i.e. Don), but throwing in Peggy as if she's being overshadowed by Roger and farking SAL who hasn't been seen or heard from in years is a little disingenuous. (Don's -- typically independent and savvy-- girlfriends get more time than Sal has had all said and done.) There's also Betty, Megan, and Sally as strong recurring characters. You look at the uber-stylish promo photos: between two pictures, you have 7 people shown, and 4 of them are women. You look at 3 pictures, you get 5 women to the 3 prominent men (Roger, Pete, Don). If we want to play the "and lots more game," well, there are "lots more" women characters as well who get just as little screentime.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

+1
Also the female characters in Mad Men are among the best and most interesting on television, they have their own plot and are often sharing storylines.
I hate Don Draper, but it bothers me when people complain about this being " a show about men" because it's like they are brushing off all the awesome ladies.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

LOL Sal has never been more than a supporting character whose sole characterisation was 'closeted gay man'. There was one episode where he was front and center and after that he was gone for good, and that was 3 seasons ago! Meanwhile characters like Peggy, Betty and Sally are no longer involved in the protagonist's life yet they still have storylines and screen-time.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[al28894]

I only watched one episode of Pan Am where they were all went in and out of Rome, but I found it quite enjoyable to my surprise, mostly because I've never seen an airline comedy/drama centered around flight attendants before.

Never realized it got cancelled though.

[mfirefly10]

I don't watch Mad Men so I can't comment on the comparison but I LOVED Pan Am. Such a shame it only got one season. If like you shows that focus on the ladies OP, I'd suggest you check out Bomb Girls. It's driven by the women 90% of the time, has a canon lesbian character and tbh, is slightly better written that Pan Am.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Bomb Girls? WAY ahead of you. :P I've already watched up to Season 2 Ep 9 and I'm only not up to Ep 10 because the subtitles get cranked out by one person who takes five goddamn days to do it (and this is long, by the standards of TV shows whose subs literally get thrown on the web within two hours of the show airing).

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

DA, but as a fellow Bomb Girls fan who thinks the show doesn't get nearly enough love, it's really awesome to hear that there are people out there subbing it. I didn't even realize there was much in the way of non-english speaking (or non-Canadian) viewership. :o

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP here

Canadian represent! :D (eh?)

Actually if you have any experience with subtitling I would urge/plead that you help out with the subbing to get it out faster. :)

Also: canon lesbian in Bomb Girls too! :)

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't a huge fan of Pan Am and didn't finish watching it after I heard it was cancelled, but I remember being really effected by the acting in the episode in Berlin, with the French flight attendant who was raised in Paris under the Nazi occupation. It was some deep stuff, but I felt the show itself was a little too fluffy/candy colored given the history it was dealing with.

Also, OP, I'm going to recommend The Hour to you, since you mentioned having problems with Mad Men: it treats with a lot of the same issues, but I vastly prefer how it handles the career-woman-in-man's-world thing, the more traditional wife of a philandering asshole thing, and all the variations in between.

[tabaqui]

Pan Am utterly rocks. Sucks it was cancelled - i could have watched for way more seasons.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you should watch more episodes of Mad Men

[(Anonymous)]

You haven't actually watched Mad Men, have you?

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, how far are you into Mad Men? The show starts focusing mainly on guys, but as it progresses it develops more and more strong female characters.

Right now, as someone noted, there are 3 guys with main storylines (Don, Roger and Pete) and 4 women (Betty, Megan, Joan and Peggy).

And I believe it's on purpose. After all, the 60's were a time of human rights advancement and role changing... ignoring the fact man did ran most things for a long while in the world is a pretty fantasy, but it's also unrealistic.