[ SECRET POST #2299 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2299 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kuroko no Basuke]


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[Milestone Inc./Radilgy/Karous]


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[Glee/RPS]


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[The Following]


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10. [SPOILERS for Resident Evil 6]



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11. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]



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12. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]



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13. [SPOILERS for Southland]



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14. [WARNING for ?? something]



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15. [WARNING for abuse]



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16. [WARNING for rape]



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17. [WARNING for rape]

[Spartacus / Once Upon a Time]


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18. [WARNING for animal abuse]




















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Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #328.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[forgottenjester]

I agree... in general. I know I've been told to swap my female characters into males or just rip out sci-fi elements to make them "better".

However, to be honest, the gender of the main character isn't why I'm not going to watch that movie. I'm not going to see it because the trailers made it look really boring and stupid to me. Since the movie hasn't come out yet I could be proven wrong. I'm fine with that. Heck, I would be delighted if I was.

Ah well, so it goes.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been out for a week here, and yep, generic sci-fi action with a few twists.

[forgottenjester]

Oh, maybe it is out where I am. I haven't been paying attention.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been told to swap my female characters into males or just rip out sci-fi elements to make them "better".

ugh that sucks. talk about vicious cycle.

[forgottenjester]

Yeah, it's been challenging and a little disheartening. What makes it worse is these same people will give genuine and good critique too. So it makes it difficult to tell sometimes what is a nasty bias and what is a legitimate concern.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I hope you won't let that stop you. But a lot of critiques are a mixed bag with biases, even when they're something like an intelligent book review in a magazine. Probably best to take all critique with a grain of salt and stick with your own beliefs on things that really matter to you.

[forgottenjester]

I generally love critiques. I live on them, actually. Because if I don't get a chance to improve my writing what's the point?

But yeah, I do that.

My only worry is that their bias is more of a common thing than I believe and will therefore negatively affect my chances of getting published or produced. Granted, I already only have a very slim chance so anything working against me is something to think about.

[(Anonymous)]

There are things being published right now with female leads and sci-fi elements, so don't worry about that. Seriously.

[forgottenjester]

I know I shouldn't? Like, I know that stuff is getting published. It's just the person who was giving me this critique was/is my mentor in college and is a published playwright himself.

Plus, sometimes I can't control what I worry about.

But thank you. I know I just need to think positive.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I know I've been told to swap my female characters into males or just rip out sci-fi elements to make them "better".

That sounds pretty disheartening. :/ Write what you want, not what other people tell you to. I know, at least when I'm writing, I consider what's best for the story - not what's going to check off a list of things that will sell.

For the record... I actually liked the film more than I thought it would. It felt a bit long towards the end, but visually it was very nice to look at.

[forgottenjester]

Yeah, that's what I try to do. It's about balance. For example, I refused to change the gender of my characters because that was really important to me. I did, however, take the "scrap the sci-fi" thing to heart but instead of changing everything and submitting that I wrote two versions of my script, one with sci-fi elements and one without. I then submitted both. It was a really difficult rewrite since they essentially told me "keep all the dialogue the same but take out the time machine" and I was writing a plot that heavily relied upon a Groundhog Day scenario that was the result of a broken time machine. It was actually an interesting exercise in the end and really forced me to stretch my writing skills. Granted, after all of that I was told that while both were good, the sci-fi one was better. Go figure.

For the record... I actually liked the film more than I thought it would. It felt a bit long towards the end, but visually it was very nice to look at.

Ah, I probably won't see it then. I'm one of those people who couldn't care less about visuals. No matter how good they are they never make up for bad writing for me. I'm just super plot oriented.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah... there were some good twists, but because i've watched a lot of movies, i predicted what was going to happen.
and there were one or two lines that made me roll my eyes.

[forgottenjester]

Ah, yeah, predictable movies are only fun to watch when you're at home and you get to place bets.

I swear, I wish I had bet money on the entire plot of Source Code. I would have gone home with a very nice sum of money.

[harp]

Same, regarding the "not because of Gender" thing. I never think about the gender or sex or ethnic background of characters until someone points out "hey, none of the people in movies look like you!" I guess it's because I'm more audio-oriented, but to me, the characters are all animate problems and issues with voices. You know? They're just a vehicle for the story.

But that's just me and how I am. Not saying that it's the Best Way To Be (really, it's a little more annoying that we have to add that part in; it ought to be the default assumption that there's no emotion policing...)

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't say that I see characters in precisely the same way that you do, but I will say that personality tends to matter more to me than anything else. So, I'm usually more concerned with who the characters *are* than with what they look like.

However, the lack of female and non-white representation does bother me because it reinforces biases and bigotries in the larger population.

[forgottenjester]

That's a completely legitimate way to consume media. I kind of wish I could do it that way.

For me it's like a check system. Plot and writing come first. Then I look to representation of people like me. I generally consider it a bonus if, say, a woman is the main character but I never expect it. Of course, bonuses gone wrong can turn me off something. Another example being when something is turned into an obvious sausagefest for little to no reason or if the portrayal of the women is just so mind-numbingly sexist I can't handle it. Otherwise though? It's really not the first thing I look for.

And I agree. My way isn't the best way either. It just is how I am too.

[(Anonymous)]

That's all fine and dandy for you, but a lot of people (including myself) would like to see a little more representation than Generic Straight Wide Dude #3927 Saves The Day. It gets really fucking disheartening after a while.