[ SECRET POST #2299 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2299 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kuroko no Basuke]


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[Milestone Inc./Radilgy/Karous]


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[Glee/RPS]


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[The Following]


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10. [SPOILERS for Resident Evil 6]



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11. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]



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12. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]



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13. [SPOILERS for Southland]



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14. [WARNING for ?? something]



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15. [WARNING for abuse]



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16. [WARNING for rape]



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17. [WARNING for rape]

[Spartacus / Once Upon a Time]


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18. [WARNING for animal abuse]




















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes once he left she killed him, but if he had no free will, he would never have been able to leave her in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

... Most people are raped have free will. Humans have free will. Many people who are raped and abused try to leave their rapists/abusers. This doesn't actually change the fact that the rapist/abusers are rapists/abusers.

[(Anonymous)]

But the argument for Regina being a rapist is that Graham had no free will in Storybrooke because of the curse.

[(Anonymous)]

The argument in Storybrooke is rape by fraud using the fact that she remembers that she once raped and enslaved him, but because of her magic he no longer does. He's not consenting to sleep with who she actually is, he's consenting to who she's physically gone inside his head and made him think she is. So rape by fraud, and as soon as he manages to reach past that and try to leave, she kills him. He was having sex with her because she deliberately created everything about his situation in order to make him do so, and the second he tried to fight back, she exercised her power over him and killed him dead.

Not a consensual relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

Rape by fraud? I would call that manipulation and even dubious consent, but not rape per se.

But maybe I'm missing something, since I'm not into the fandom and I'm only basing my opinion on the explanations given here.

[(Anonymous)]

In one world, she enslaved him by physically ripping his heart out of his chest and using it to control him by magic. It's heavily implied she used this control to rape him, since the first thing she does after taking his heart is have him taken to her chambers.

Then, she enacts a curse (over the whole kingdom, not just him), which wipes peoples memories and implants new ones designed to her specification. Only she and maybe three other people remember the real world. The rest of them are living out lives and memories Regina designed for them. Graham's new life involves being her lover.

She took away, personally, his memories of what she had done to him, in order to live a fantasy life where he was with her 'willingly'. As in, it wasn't that there was a magical accident and she took advantage of it (which would be creepy enough) but she deliberately removed the memories of her crimes from pretty much everyone in order to play with them in her personal fantasy world.

There is pretty much no way he (or anyone else) can consent under those circumstances. So, yeah, I'm calling it rape.

[(Anonymous)]

All this, plus the fact we were directly shown she is still using the heart to control him when she had him arrest that man for drunk driving while he was standing in her office. It's not a huge leap of logic to imagine her using it to have him come to her bed.

[(Anonymous)]

FYI, in real life there's no such thing as "dubious consent". It's just a tag in fanfic, usually for the purpose of differentiating between someone flat-out having sex with someone who's saying "no," and having sex with someone who's, say, drunk or something.

In real life, "dubious consent" is called rape, i.e.: a lack of a no is not a yes.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

that anything that's not flat-out violent rape is classed as "dubious consent" is a major issue of rape culture.

and its usefulness as a fic tag is also debatable. honestly it seems more like a way to avoid harshing people's squee over toxic relationships that involve rape.

[writerserenyty]

This; in real life, if it's "dubious consent," it's safe to say it was rape.

[(Anonymous)]

Kind of a side note - rape by fraud is, at least where I live, more of a legal thing than anything. It basically means you lied to them about who you were on a massive scale to sleep with them on a regular basis. [Technically, it doesn't have to be an on going/have been a regular thing...but in order to have any real legal case it does.]

So, from what's been described, rape by fraud is probably the closest thing to what it actually is as far as definitions go.

[(Anonymous)]

But Regina's own free will has been reduced due to the book of evil evilness supplied by Rumpelstiltskin. Her actions and decisions are corrupted by evil magic which prevents her from making "good" choices. If anyone is the rapist it is Rumples, by proxy.

[(Anonymous)]

If you go to a party and someone has dumped roofies into the punch do you blame the person who had sex with you while you were both roofied, or do you blame the person who put the roofies in the game?

[(Anonymous)]

i'd blame both tbh

[(Anonymous)]

Following that logic, Rumple isn't to blame for anything he's done since he became the Dark One, either. Magic is portrayed as an addiction, and both Rumple and Regina have been given and refused opportunities to give it up.

It doesn't change the fact that Regina was involved in acts of rape, and that they involved forcing herself on someone who did not want to have sex with her.

[(Anonymous)]

But without the capacity to decide right from wrong herself, she is as much a victim as Graham. We can see that prior to Rumple's book infecting her Regina was on the same moral level as Snow White. That means she is not truly acting with full agency and autonomy either.

[(Anonymous)]

But we're not really shown that magic directly takes the ability to tell right from wrong. While still in possession of his magic, which is about as evil and infectious as you can get, Rumple admits to Belle and to Bae that he realises what he's done is wrong, he's just too weak to give it up. Regina admits to Henry that she does know that what she's doing to him is wrong, it's just that magic is the only crutch she knows and she keeps being put in situations where she feels she needs one.

What we see happen is essentially that Zoso originally and Rumple later seek out badly abused people and tempt them with an offer of power. With the power to strike back against their abusers, they lose their heads, slowly at first and then with increasing speed. It's less that the magic is directly influencing them, at least at first, and more that the fact of having power is causing them to strike out at people who caused them pain in the past. It was never as simple as Rumple giving her the book and boom, evil Regina. We're shown that he went through a long period training and tempting her first, so her morals were still in operation despite the magic until her emotions were engaged.

It's still a long corruption by outside agencies, yes, but we're never shown that their individual actions are directly influenced by an outside force. More that their backgrounds and sudden influx of power, as well as someone to tell them it's okay to use it, caused them to stop putting moral limitations on themselves.

So it's not that Regina has magic in her head forcing her to rape someone. It's that she suddenly has power over someone that she never had before, and she's had someone tell her often enough that it's okay to use it that she's stopped questioning that.

She's a victim, yes. A long-term victim of psychological abuse and addiction. But she's also victimising other people, not because something is forcing her, but because she now has power to hurt people who hurt her back, and take people she desires whether they want to be taken or not. She's victim and rapist both.

Regina is an exceptionally complex character, with a long history of abuse and pain behind her. But she still hurt people, raped them, for no better reason than that she could, and that wasn't all the magic. Some of that was her.

[(Anonymous)]

All of this was very well put. I've thought this throughout the show - looking at the psychological side of it, absolute power corrupts absolutely et al, was much more interesting than blaming everything on magic. Speaking as a Rumpel fan and and someone who's indifferent to Regina, it doesn't make sense that someone would claim to love either of them, yet want to strip them of the character they are.

[(Anonymous)]

By this logic, don't forget that Cora is innocent of anything she's done since she ripped out her own heart. She woulda been mother of the year otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

Regina's "free will" hasn't been reduced. That's bullshit. And we've gotten to the point where she's acting against Rumple so clearly he can't be blamed for her current actions.

[katekat]

thank you anon. this.

[truxillogical]

I thought it was pretty clear in the flashback to the beginning episode that he she had a modicum of control over everyone's actions and Who They Were at the start, and that in Graham's case it was intensified because of the heart. Because when Storybrooke just popped into being Graham's default position was as her boy toy. And while she may not have been controlling his every move and thought, she certainly was exerting influence over him (and the whole town, but again, even moreso him).