[ SECRET POST #2301 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2301 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I mean remember when Rory was all "you're turning me into you" when he had to choose between the two Amy's? And yeah, I know that he was put into a horrible position and probably stressed as all hell, but just the fact that he said it.

Though, to be fair, I do actually blame the Doctor for getting them put into that situation. He did land them there, after all. But still. Rory wasn't blaming him for that, he was blaming him for something else entirely, and I didn't approve at all.

If you pay attention, his companions often blame him for things that aren't his fault. ALL of them. The very first time I was fully of aware of it was when Ten was going through his regeneration illness and Rose said something along the lines of him "not being the Doctor because the Doctor would never do this"-- this being ill, apparently, and as such unable to save the world-- and yeah, I also get that she was scared, but c'mon. He blames himself for everything already, don't go adding to it.

I re-watched New Who recently and paid special attention to this. I never noticed before how much everyone blames him for everything. His companions and the people he saves, in particular.

Remember that Mars episode (forgot the title)? When they were all begging him to save them, and then when he did not a single one of them apologized for it. And the one who actually knew what was going, who STILL begged him to save them despite knowing that the event was a fixed point in time, suddenly turned on him. I know she HAD to do that to move his character forward, but just the fact that she did that, after everything, was so horrible.


They do this A LOT. In almost every episode, in fact. Someone is always blaming him for something, or holding him on some pedestal, or expecting something from him. And after he's saved everyone, rarely is anyone truly satisfied. More often than not they just blame him for something else.

Re-watching New Who was a real eye-opener.

[(Anonymous)]

*not a single one thanked him for it.

--- And you know what? They didn't have to thank him for it (though that would have been nice). It's not like he necessarily wants it. But they could at least have been appreciative. Or not treat him like a freak of nature afterward.

[(Anonymous)]

Except he kind of WAS acting like a freak there. He was really fucking scary and maniacal and holyshitgetawaywhatthefuckareyou. The way the switcharoo was written was kind of too abrupt and rushed though, I'll give you that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, and also: the Christmas episode where Donna first made an appearance. She said a lot of horrible things to him, and while I understand that she was *understandably* distressed for obvious reasons, it was still gross. Not to mention ungrateful considering all he did for her.

And god, who was it again who told Ten that it was his fault that all of his companions turned into soldiers? I forget, but that really upset me as well.

[fenm]

Wasn't it Davros?

[(Anonymous)]

That was Davros.

But you can't really blame Donna for that -- she didn't know a single damn thing about him, he was just this freaky alien whose spaceship she suddenly appeared in. Of course she's not going to treat him any differently than she would some random strange kidnapper, because she doesn't know otherwise. And that's good for him -- keeps him from developing an entitlement complex, stops him from thinking he should be treated with special consideration just because he's the Doctor.

[(Anonymous)]

It's true that a lot of it is unfair, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. People will be people, and they will be imperfect and they WILL hold the amazing magical badass genius alien to a higher standard, even when it's a bit unfair. Because he is a bit unfair. He's got abilities they can't match, and he should be extra extra careful about how he uses them and the consequences of them. Humans are a bit irrational and unfair, so he needs to take that into account when he saves them. And that's good for him.

And he knows it's good for him. Like when Donna points out how he killed the Racnoss babies -- she wasn't really criticizing him for killing them, they were about the eat the world after all and he begged the empress to let him help her and take her to an unpopulated planet and she refused. She was criticizing him for the way he just stood there silently and watched their mother screaming and crying without a flinch. And he understands that. He understands that he scared her, and that he was in a bad state of mind. He doesn't apologize for killing them, because he doesn't need to, but he's grateful to Donna for pointing out how he was behaving. So even if it's "unfair", I think him being keenly aware of the human perspective of how he comes off is good for him and he appreciates it quite deeply.

And I don't think it adds to his guilt complex. It usually makes him better and gives him a better perspective. It's the shit his enemies pull -- comparing him to them, adding to his guilt and horror over the whole Time War genocide even though he was saving the damn universe -- that's what adds to his guilt complex and makes him hate himself, not being criticized by humans.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like Water of Mars, but I can't blame Adelaide for turning on him. She begs him to save them. He instead fills her head with the idea that the future of the world depend on her death to the point she starts to believe him then decides for his own angsty reasons to go against all that. So what else is she to think at that point other than she'll now be responsible for screwing up the entire world just by living. Maybe the companions etc. do blame him too much for things, but I'm not sure that's one of those occasions.