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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-04-21 04:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #2301 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2301 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Sorry for lateness, had internet issues.

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illiadandoddity: (Default)

[personal profile] illiadandoddity 2013-04-21 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Woah woah woah... we're getting a "you're not a true fan!" secret about one of the games in the Complication, not the original game?

Shit, girl. I judge you for deciding that Crisis Core is more canon than the original game. In the original game, Zack and Aerith were basically just a teen romance, not true love forever! Whereas Zack risked his lie to break Cloud out of the lab with him, and hauled Cloud halfway across the world even though Cloud was catatonic, had very little chance of waking up, died to defend him, and Cloud then went crazy and convinced himself he was Zack. That's a hell of a lot more shippy in my opinion.

(And I'm a big fan of Zack/Aerith, but if you don't see that Zack/Cloud has at least as much canon justification, you're an idiot and I judge you.)

(Anonymous) 2013-04-21 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] illiadandoddity 2013-04-21 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Except for my various typos... stupid phone.

what is op on

(Anonymous) 2013-04-22 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
In the original game, Zack and Aerith were basically just a teen romance, not true love forever!

ikr

EVIDENCE:

Quoting from a very awesome LP of the original game you should all go check out because it has awesome explanations, clarifications and all sorts of cool stuff that make you see the game in a new light:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3415223&pagenumber=18#post392420428

Image (http://imgur.com/hZBuF1P)

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This conversation reminds me of some slice of life drama movies. In particular Pika*nchi Life is Hard Dakedo Happy.

It's a common theme in Japan - how you as a teen needs to grow into the adulthood, and what you miss with that.

So they like to add these contrasts, and it's very deliberate - you have Aeris and Cloud sitting in a place for children, reminiscing their memories. The place is in ruins and Aeris "can't believe it's still here" even though she lives relatively close to it.





They're talking about teenage love, but in a realistic way. Aeris liked the dude but it's gone and she doesn't think he was the love of her life or any of that crap. The Japanese liked to include these conversations a lot in some movies. It's a bit "educational", but for young adults to learn how to deal with their feelings.

There's a certain feeling of "this is cool, but we're too old for this poo poo". After you fall in love and break up so many times it kinda becomes automatic. This is not the case of either character, but it's what the conversation is trying to convey.

In a way, this is in a way why FF7's Script and characters are different. The script is shaped very closely after soap-operas (or doramas, if you may) and slice of life movies even though they're dealing with a much larger plot. It has a bit of a psychological thriller and depressive aspect to it which was likely an influence of Evangelion, which was out just some time before.

FF9 is different in the sense that it features a less modern script. While FF7 was going for extreme realism (That's a direct quote from the devs, but I'm not linking here because it contains spoilers), FF9 goes straight to a more Shakespearean drama format. Both have the same roots, but present themselves in different way
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[personal profile] rafira 2013-04-22 06:39 am (UTC)(link)
well said! anyway, the ffvii original game i feel is really open to interpretation, why would you say someone can not ship something? i could ship barretxcait sith if i wanted.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-22 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Megaphone/Gunarm... I'd ship it.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-22 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Complication
If you don't like it, you don't like it, but you don't have to keep being a dick about it.
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[personal profile] illiadandoddity 2013-04-22 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, get over it. I like the compilation (except DoC, that was crap in both gameplay and story), and I still call it the complication. Every spin-off of FFVII has either blatantly retconned the original game, or introduced new plot threads that make no sense and are never resolved. The compilation complicated the original game's story and timeline to a ridiculous degree.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-23 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
lol. it deserves that name and worse. What, we can't feel annoyed that the quality of the spinoffs is so low, they retconned a bunch of things and changed the characters so much? please, don't get defensive. you can like it if you want, but don't get butthurt when people criticize it