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It's mean if the person can hear/see you, or if you're actually judging their worth for it.

But acting as if this is gross in and of itself--making it such a taboo--is elevating the ideal of physical beauty far too high. Acting like it is a grave insult to insist that someone isn't physically beautiful reinforces the idea that aesthetics is one of their most important attributes.

It's mean if the person can hear/see you, or if you're actually judging their worth for it.

Yeah pretty sure a large percentage of those being criticized have Internet access and reams of discretionary time on their hands.

IMO? If you wouldn't say it to their faces don't say it onilne.

But if someone's thinking it, is there a huge difference?

Also: I really hope you aren't trying to safeguard the feelings of celebrities and are instead talking about cosplayers and the like. Just about everything about the cosplay community is fucking toxic.

I was talking about actual you-know-them-in-real-life situations. Posting things about a friend in the open on facebook pretty much counts as saying it in front of them.

Edited 2013-04-24 01:05 (UTC)

How is not wanting to be a complete dick to celebrities a bad thing? This obviously has fucking impact if in So. Korea is gets so bad it drives actresses to suicide. I am so fucking sick of seeing this mentality that just because these people are in the public eye, anything and everything goes.

South Korean celebrities are so wounded by the public calling them ugly that they kill themselves, and you think the insult itself is the problem? Don't you think there's something fundamentally messed up about a culture that so prioritizes aesthetics that people think it's better to be dead than ugly? Don't you think putting a huge taboo on calling people ugly is playing into that?

For the record, I'm talking about western-style celebrity. South Korean message board people will hunt you down in person because they think you might have been a little mean to your dog once.

Except that with S. Korean idols it's the industry itself that treats them like objects and encourages the audience to do the same. They're not driven to suicide because someone called them ugly, they're driven to suicide because they failed to meet the standards of an impossibly shitty system, and by that point, you criticize the whole system, not just the subset that's only playing into what they've been told.

Yeah, I agree with this comment, but the thing is that people go out of their way to express how damn offended they are by someone's appearance -- like saying "he should only play roles where his character has to wear a mask" -- that really does reinforce the idea that aesthetics is a really important attribute and that if you're not physically beautiful, you don't deserve to allow yourself to be seen because you're offending people by being visible.

Honestly -- IDGAF about hurting a celebrity's feelings, I doubt many of them are that thin-skinned and if they are they shouldn't be famous, it's just such a disgusting to do in and of itself, for what it reveals about the commenter's personality. It's the intent and attitude, not the consequences, that make it gross.

I like and agree with this comment. Let me be ugly, dammit, I don't need "hidden beauty" or some such shit.

Yeah, but ugliness (and beauty) are not objective qualities. What's considered beautiful/ugly has varied throughout history and across cultures. So talking about someone's ugliness is means you've already given in to the beauty narrative du jour, and are reinforcing it.

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