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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-04-27 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2307 ]


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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2013-04-28 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Proper names, which includes nicknames, kennings, titles-used-as-names, and the names of fictional characters, get capitalized.

'God', when referring to the Abrahamic deity, is a name (specifically a title used as a name as a form of circumlocution around his actual name). It gets capitalized.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I don't capitalize things like rocks, why should god(s) get special treatment.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2013-04-28 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Nobody's saying 'capitalize "gods"'. They are saying 'capitalize God, because that is his name (by way of circumlocution), and names get capitalized'.

Grammar doesn't give half a fuck about your theological beliefs. Names get capitalized. Period.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
I thought his name was Harold, that is what they say in church. And larry agrees.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
I think you belong in a secret thread further down the page, bro. And his name isn't Harold. ;)

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It is in the prayer.
Our Father
Who art in Heaven
Harold be thy name...
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[personal profile] femmenerd 2013-04-28 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't actually have a horse in this debate: I'm a Quaker who's shacked up with an athiest (hmmm, what does the capitalization in that clause mean? Does it simply express the differing belief systems or does it hierarchize them?); I know that it's grammatically correct to capitalize God when referring to a monotheistic deity, but I don't really care if people break that rule for cause.

Or, maybe that is my horse: Rules are meant to be broken, but you have to know what they are first in order to make the rule-breaking meaningful.

And Grammar (see how I just capitalized that word to anthropomorphize it?) might not give a fuck, but that doesn't mean that language/linguistics isn't ideological. (At least, everyone in this thread gives enough of a fuck to be debating it here.)

It is fluid though, and evolves through use.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Because it's a rule of the English language? I don't have to believe in Larry to capitalize Larry.

Now, the debate about capitalizing his when referring to God (as in, "according to His will"), now that I can get behind. :)

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Damn right it is a rule, what do you think English is a language you can just make up rules and words for to use? That is why we've got the, uh, yeah, ya know whatever the english version of the Académie Française is called. It makes sure there is adherence to rules so general usage doesn't distort enGlish into people using it in unconventional ways to fit their own concepts. Oh god.

Newsflash guys, when atheists stopped capitalizing "god" because they felt the concept no longer needed a capital letter, then by common convention of mutability of language that became one of the correct ways to spell it.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
Only dickbag atheists don't capitalize God; it was going beyond rejecting the concept and openly stating that the character created, named God, was no longer valid.

And I'm sorry, some people leaving God uncapitalized is no more a sign of "mutability" of language than idiots leaving out commas and calling it "evolving grammar." You're wrong. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but you are still wrong about this. Even Richard Dawkins capitalizes God.

Also, in case you were curious: I'm an atheist.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
...are you high?

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
yepper

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, good. I wondered if someone who wrote that mess of a comment was either drugged out of their mind or an idiot. I'm relieved to know the answer is "drugged." :)
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2013-04-28 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
Newsflash, dude, atheists didn't start doing anything.

Some atheists stopped capitalizing God, because they are dumb shits who think ignoring the rules of grammar makes a grand point when all it does it makes them look like illiterate assholes whose beliefs are so weak they can be shattered by a shift key.

Actual, sane atheists, as opposed to the ones who couldn't actually argue their way out of a wet paper bag, write like actual, educated people, which includes proper capitalization.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
+1000

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, but the only time I'm going to capitalize god is out of respect when I'm talking to christians.

Some atheists stopped capitalizing God, because they are dumb shits who think ignoring the rules of grammar makes a grand point
Wow, you're something.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2013-04-28 07:35 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, but the only time I'm going to capitalize god is out of respect when I'm talking to christians.

Who you have made it clear that you have no more respect for than you do for the English language.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, grammar really pisses you the fuck off.

Get off your high horse and just let people write how they write. It's not hurting you.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2013-04-28 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
'Don't write like an illiterate asshole' is not a high horse.

'I'm going to write like an illiterate asshole, because the rules of grammar don't let me display my beliefs in the most facile and unconvincing way possible' is.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
Just because Christians weren't terribly creative in naming their god, doesn't mean you don't capitalize the names of specific individuals (real or imagined). If your next-door neighbor names their dog "Dog," you capitalize the D when you ask them, "How did Dog make out at the vet yesterday?" It's not about respect or belief; it's about capitalization rules for names.
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[personal profile] othellia 2013-04-28 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
You don't capitalize Mt. Fuji or the Grand Canyon?

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
What, mount fuji or the grand canyon you mean?

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, okay. That solved that.

5/10

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
no, solved That.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-28 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
I admit it, I laughed. XD