[ SECRET POST #2307 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2307 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't capitalize "god" because I don't believe in god.

Get off your high horse, theist.

[kamino_neko]

Proper names, which includes nicknames, kennings, titles-used-as-names, and the names of fictional characters, get capitalized.

'God', when referring to the Abrahamic deity, is a name (specifically a title used as a name as a form of circumlocution around his actual name). It gets capitalized.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't capitalize things like rocks, why should god(s) get special treatment.

[kamino_neko]

Nobody's saying 'capitalize "gods"'. They are saying 'capitalize God, because that is his name (by way of circumlocution), and names get capitalized'.

Grammar doesn't give half a fuck about your theological beliefs. Names get capitalized. Period.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought his name was Harold, that is what they say in church. And larry agrees.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you belong in a secret thread further down the page, bro. And his name isn't Harold. ;)

[femmenerd]

I don't actually have a horse in this debate: I'm a Quaker who's shacked up with an athiest (hmmm, what does the capitalization in that clause mean? Does it simply express the differing belief systems or does it hierarchize them?); I know that it's grammatically correct to capitalize God when referring to a monotheistic deity, but I don't really care if people break that rule for cause.

Or, maybe that is my horse: Rules are meant to be broken, but you have to know what they are first in order to make the rule-breaking meaningful.

And Grammar (see how I just capitalized that word to anthropomorphize it?) might not give a fuck, but that doesn't mean that language/linguistics isn't ideological. (At least, everyone in this thread gives enough of a fuck to be debating it here.)

It is fluid though, and evolves through use.

[(Anonymous)]

Because it's a rule of the English language? I don't have to believe in Larry to capitalize Larry.

Now, the debate about capitalizing his when referring to God (as in, "according to His will"), now that I can get behind. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Damn right it is a rule, what do you think English is a language you can just make up rules and words for to use? That is why we've got the, uh, yeah, ya know whatever the english version of the Académie Française is called. It makes sure there is adherence to rules so general usage doesn't distort enGlish into people using it in unconventional ways to fit their own concepts. Oh god.

Newsflash guys, when atheists stopped capitalizing "god" because they felt the concept no longer needed a capital letter, then by common convention of mutability of language that became one of the correct ways to spell it.

[(Anonymous)]

Only dickbag atheists don't capitalize God; it was going beyond rejecting the concept and openly stating that the character created, named God, was no longer valid.

And I'm sorry, some people leaving God uncapitalized is no more a sign of "mutability" of language than idiots leaving out commas and calling it "evolving grammar." You're wrong. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but you are still wrong about this. Even Richard Dawkins capitalizes God.

Also, in case you were curious: I'm an atheist.

[(Anonymous)]

...are you high?

[kamino_neko]

Newsflash, dude, atheists didn't start doing anything.

Some atheists stopped capitalizing God, because they are dumb shits who think ignoring the rules of grammar makes a grand point when all it does it makes them look like illiterate assholes whose beliefs are so weak they can be shattered by a shift key.

Actual, sane atheists, as opposed to the ones who couldn't actually argue their way out of a wet paper bag, write like actual, educated people, which includes proper capitalization.

[(Anonymous)]

Just because Christians weren't terribly creative in naming their god, doesn't mean you don't capitalize the names of specific individuals (real or imagined). If your next-door neighbor names their dog "Dog," you capitalize the D when you ask them, "How did Dog make out at the vet yesterday?" It's not about respect or belief; it's about capitalization rules for names.

[othellia]

You don't capitalize Mt. Fuji or the Grand Canyon?

[(Anonymous)]

What, mount fuji or the grand canyon you mean?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, okay. That solved that.

5/10

[(Anonymous)]

So, do you just not capitalize the names of fictional characters, then?

God is a name in this case. Capitalize it.

[(Anonymous)]

It isn't even a fictional character, it is an abstract concept. A fictional abstract concept, that I'll grant though.

[(Anonymous)]

God is in a book, as a character. Regardless of the concept behind it, this is still true. This is the god that the saying "for the love of God" refers back to.

I repeat, do you not capitalize character names?

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on the character. Jehovah sure, but not god.

[silverau]

That's still the proper way to write it whether you believe in God or not. Get off YOUR high horse.

[(Anonymous)]

Because it's a proper noun and a name, whether or not you actually believe in the Christian God or not (and even though his _name_ name is Yahweh...screw it, that god has too many names and God is just the easy default one). You capitalize Shiva, Allah, and/or His Noodly Appendage in the same way. Loki and Thor, too, incidentally. Allah isn't a different god than God, Allah is just what they call him in Islam...and Allah literally means "the god."

You're either a troll or being a complete idiot. This is just immature bullshit. You're not being edgy or revolutionary or even close to "forcing" any sort of change on anyone. Capitalize your proper nouns.

And on a side note, I'm not Christian.

You know, speaking as someone who's learning a second language in a totally different script, which has different letters that could mean the same sounds, it's only just now occurred to me what it must look like when I misspell shit. It can seriously fuck with the general comprehensiveness of the sentence.

I dislike you even more now.

[(Anonymous)]

well I'll (sort of) support you there. I really don't care what is or isn't grammatically correct, I don't want to honor the christian god with that distinction after having been put through hell by his followers. it was drilled into my head growing up that the capital G was a signifier of respect and honor, and that's not something I want to do. it has nothing to do with being an 'edgy' atheist and everything to do with not giving respect where I don't feel it's deserved.

[(Anonymous)]

And you don't respect grammar. Got it.

[(Anonymous)]

Ironically, this is an orthography issue, not a grammar issue.