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⌈ Secret Post #2314 ⌋

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Comments

[mfirefly10]

I don't know...I think RTD's era had plenty of sexism. Rose's arc devolved into nothing but her relationship with the Doctor and ended with her being written off with 10.2 and Donna's ended with her being married off to some guy we'd never seen before, as if all either woman needed for a happy ending was to settle down/get married. And Companions in RTD's era seemed to fall for the Doctor as often as Companions in Moffat's - Rose, Martha, Jack, Amy, River, at least one version of Clara and plenty of one-off companions as well. And I think Moffat's female characters are allowed to own their sexuality in a way RTD's weren't, though that certainly comes with problems of it's own.

Both eras are incredibly problematic on this front so I imagine which you think is worse probably comes down to which bothers you more on a personal level.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the main difference is actually how all-encompassing and how explicitly gendered Moffat's sexism was. RTD's sexism was more about an overly strong focus on romance (that affected the Doctor and male characters like Jack too, not just the female characters) and the problematic elements that came about alongside/after a lot of strong character development.

On the other hand, the big sexist things about Moffat's writing are more gender-essentialist and are the main plots and focal points of his female characters' arcs while not affecting the male characters, and his writing doesn't have as much character development to balance those big events out. Also, Davies didn't make constant jokes based on gender the way Moffat does.

So IA that it is a matter of what bothers you on a personal level, but it's also no surprise Moffat's stuff bothers way more people on a personal level than Davies' stuff, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of Moffatt's jokes are the expense of people who keep crying "misogyny", he's mocking those guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, *that's* not petty and snotty and supercilious, noooo. (Note my sarcasm.)

[mfirefly10]

I can see what you're saying. Though I think some of Moffat's jokes are in reaction to some people calling out sexism where it wasn't. I mean, some people called Moffat's era misogynistic right at the start, simply because Amy wore skirts and River was very confidant in her sexuality.

[(Anonymous)]

Combined with the hinting that Karen was only worthy to play Amy because he was gorgeous with those long legs~ (and not dumby as he first feared), yeah... it comes off sexists.

[(Anonymous)]

"And Companions in RTD's era seemed to fall for the Doctor as often as Companions in Moffat's"

This is exactly the thing that hits my berserk button with Nu!Who (and why I don't watch it anymore). No one with a shred of common sense and/or taste wants to watch Coronation Street IN SPAAAAAAAAACE but that's what we've got to live with, until/if someone half-decent and/or actually familiar with Classic!Who comes along, and does the job properly.

[(Anonymous)]

Rose fell in love with the Doctor, it was reciprocated. Martha had a crush on him and Donna did not. And the random girls who had a thing for the Doctor were mostly Moffat's writing (e.g Reinette).

Compared to Amy, River and Clara and the random one-off girls of Moffat era.

So, yeah I still think Moffat takes the cake in this one.

[(Anonymous)]

Ahahahaa, "Rose's arc devolved into nothing but her relationship with the Doctor".. no wait, you were serious? O__o

You must have missed a few episodes. Or seasons..