[ SECRET POST #2315 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2315 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, you know what I hate? When people say it has to be one or the other. When people try to say that sad endings are lazy. When people try to say that happy endings are lazy. Just when people try to say that one thing is right and one thing is wrong. It doesn't have to be either or. You can like both. You can write both. It IS possible. There's nothing wrong with either happy or sad endings. You're not a bad writer if you write sad endings, you're not a bad writer if you write happy endings. You're not a bad reader if you enjoy sad over happy, you're not a bad reader if you enjoy happy over sad.

/comment not necessarily directed at OP but rather A LOT of people in the comment section.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm kind of surprised that this "STOP WRITING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" secret is garnering so much praise and agreement, and nobody is pointing out that it's every bit as entitled and whiny as any other "STOP WRITING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" secret.

[(Anonymous)]

That's because it's not "Stop writing what I don't like!" -- it's, "Stop claiming that what I like is inferior and puerile!"

[(Anonymous)]

Looked a lot more to me like "I hate sad endings, why can't everything end happily?"

[(Anonymous)]

So it's "stop admiring what I don't like"--I don't see much of a difference.

[(Anonymous)]

The inside of your head must be a fascinating place, if you translate, "Stop acting like the things I like are crap" into "Stop thinking that the things I don't like are good." Apparently everything is opposites, and in order to like one thing, you must strenuously and vocally hate its inverse!

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, no, the translation has already been done by the OP, who takes a preference for what they don't like to be a disparagement of what they like. See also: the anon (who I suspect of being the OP) who keeps harping on how people who write dark endings are obnoxious brats who only do it to show off how deep they are.

[(Anonymous)]

To quote from the secret, "I wish this trend of dark and gritty and sad endings being seen as superior would stop already... Can't we just have happy endings without 'rainbows and fluff' being automatically considered bad storytelling?" (Emphasis mine.)

That's not the OP having a problem with people liking things they don't like -- it's the OP having a problem with people thinking that what they like is inherently inferior.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen happy endings disparaged as bad storytelling purely and simply because they were happy; on the other hand, right here in this thread I see plenty of disparagement not simply of dark/gritty/sad endings, but of people who write them. So forgive me if I suspect that the "trend of dark and gritty and sad endings being seen as superior" only exists in the OP's head.

[(Anonymous)]

On the other hand, I know exactly what trend the OP is talking about -- the notion that "real literature" has depressing endings, and if a story ends "too happily" it's just trying to go for juvenile wish fulfillment rather than offering "a message." There are a disturbingly high number of people who think that sad ending = meaningful and happy ending = vapid. (There's a lot of overlap with the group that thinks "literary fiction" = worthwhile, intelligent reading and "genre fiction" = escapist drek.)

[(Anonymous)]

That's how I read it - I'm honestly not seeing where this other interpretation is coming from. *confused*

[(Anonymous)]

I just suspect that while grimdark endings may well be more popular in the OP's fandoms, the "trend" of "disparaging" happy endings only exists in the OP's imagination. I admit, this is based on my own experience--I've never actually seen happy endings disparaged purely because they were happy, and I've never observed a shortage of cute and fluffy fic. I do, however, see lots of demands of "there needs to be more fluff!" on the grounds that "real life is depressing enough"--and meanwhile, right here in this thread, there is plenty of disparagement, not just of dark/gritty/sad endings but of the people who write them.

[(Anonymous)]

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that OP is talking only about fanfic, in which "fluff" and happy endings are a more accepted part of the fandom culture. Canon material, though? The trend definitely is present in force.

[forgottenjester]

True. I took most of the comments here as less, "this kind of ending is bad" and more, "both endings need to be written well because [insert commenter here] has experienced a lot of badly written [insert kind of ending here]."

But maybe I'm looking at everything with rose-tinted glasses.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, you just have better reading comprehension than those anons.