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Yeah, I agree. But think it's one of those cyclical things, you know? It's not going to go on forever, because most of the reason people make it more menacing and explicitly freaky is because it's a deviation from the norm, and shocking and interesting because it plays with our expectations. And there's a point, clearly, where that becomes impossible. Goes around, comes around.

I was going to basically say exactly this. But your comment is a lot more concise ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_McGee's_Alice

Sadly, it's not available on digital distro yet -- not even on GoG, so it's very rare. There's a sequel, however, and I believe new copies of the console version of such has a code to let you download a console version of the original.

They do let you do that. It's how I got mine.

Ha, I was going to post this!

Yeah, if you buy the sequel (Alice Madness Returns) you get the code to download the original game. Also AMR lets you download tons of dresses for Alice that affect the character. Pretty cool.

I thought that was the over-the-top that the OP was referring to. I guess the first one could be considered more subtle, but with the second that kinda flew out the window with Alice being able to wear a dress made out of meat and guts.

*Not saying they're bad games

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inkedfeathers - 2013-05-10 08:36 (UTC) - Expand

I've played some of the sequel on the comp and it was a beautiful game to play. I loved the black and beige cut-scenes.

sootyowl - 2013-05-10 00:18 (UTC) - Expand

I didn't think it was really scary or menacing at all, just strange and absurd. I guess it's one of those things that people interpret in many ways.

Agreed. I saw Wonderland and especially Through the Looking Glass as a satire on British culture, especially for the upper class as well as a play on math and games.

Yup.

Idk, I've always been puzzled by the extent to which people have strong feelings about it --- either it's scary, or it's trippy, or it's light-hearted fun, or it's some kind of very deep mystery. I've always felt distinctly "meh" towards it.

Already posted up there but seconding American Mcgee's Alice / Alice Madness Returns. They are pretty lineal, but pretty dark too.

eta: Oh wait, you mean like not liking the darker and edgier side? Ahaha I see. Welp, I dunno what to tell you. The story is pretty much about a Lil kid having a dream that has slight dark undertones, so there's a lot of room to play with it and make it darker and edgier.

Edited 2013-05-10 00:45 (UTC)

Yeah, I hate most ~edgy~ Alice in Wonderland adaptions. :/ I mean, I saw the original book as funny more than scary, but it's not like the original story was sunshine and roses... Alice was frustrated and confused for most of the story. So I don't like when adaptions try to act like the original was lighthearted and cheerful and this adaptions is "OMG WONDERLAND AS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE!!"

Same, anon. It's like all these "gritty" fairy tale reboots. "Dark" Alice in Wonderland has been done to death so often that a more faithful, childlike adaptation would be a breath of fresh air. Or, you know, let it rest for a while.

"Gritty" reboots of fairy tales, IMO, all depend on whether or not the person doing it is getting back to the original or thinking s/he is original. The former can be done well. The latter usually just ends up being a cheesy bundle of pretentious crap.

The original wasn't really supposed to be subtle-scary or over-the-top scary. It was supposed to silly and amoral, a rejection and spoof of the stern, moralizing stories that were the norm for children's literature at that time. No one has any permanent consequences in the books, which makes it pretty unthreatening.

This. Plus it was just a story made up to amuse the author's friend's [and possibly boss?] bored kids. It wasn't intended to scare, just to amuse.

I firmly believe Lewis Carroll wrote the book for the reasons you describe, but that it was John Tenniel's illustrations that gave the book that "creepy" edge that everyone remembers.

Reading the text without them makes all the difference in the world.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-05-10 17:13 (UTC) - Expand

Hmm, well, whether a light-hearted or gritty adaptation, I was always unsettled and disturbed by a lot of the implications, even as a child. I've come to think of it as Alice's acid trip - which is also pretty disturbing, given her age, but it's what makes the most sense to me. But I guess I sort of agree with you, I think a certain amount of vagueness works better with the story.

Agreed, anon.

(My favourite adaptation is Jan Švankmajer's.)

OP Here

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Re: OP Here

(Anonymous) - 2013-05-10 01:53 (UTC) - Expand

To me, it's supposed to be a commentary on the strangeness of new mathematical theories.

Nobody ever plays with that.

It makes me sad.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-05-10 01:32 (UTC) - Expand

Have you seen the 1966 Jonathan Miller version? If so what did you think of it?

To me it isn't meant to be half as disturbing as people think it is.

I've seen many, many movie and TV versions of Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass (including some really obscure ones) and wasn't really satisfied by any of them. Still my favorite kids' book of all time, though.

I think it's laziness, mainly, and lack of imagination. Like people thinking it has something to do with drugs. Have you see Jonathan Miller's version?