[ SECRET POST #2319 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2319 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Slum Cat - Ernest Seton Thompson]


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[Mass Effect]


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[The Hunger Games]


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[Ib]


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[Family Guy]


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[The West Wing]


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[Labyrinth]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, if you're fighting for your life w/o having any kind of real training, who wouldn't love the Career Tributes who are trained to kill from an early age? Yeah, if I was a competitor of theirs I'd love them too. Not. Get real. Also, Cinna came across as more sympathetic to her situation than Effie, who seemed stuck-up as hell. Yeah, why would Katniss like Cinna over Effie. Gee. I don't know that either. Oh, yes, I do.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm not saying katniss should have liked the career tributes on a personal level, but there's a problem when the narration treats it as a totally great opinion to have by making every single career tribute lack any kind of personality except for having a murder boner. because that's so realistic omg! likewise the cinna vs effie situation. effie is written as a stuck up bitch who should be disliked even though her only job is to pick names out of a lottery and escort the tributes to the capitol. meanwhile cinna, who is charged with actually preparing the tributes for their interviews, is written like he's this great guy. the same thing happens with fucking caesar flickerman, who katniss describes as being SUCH A NICE GUY who GENUINELY TRIES TO HELP THE TRIBUTES, even though his job is to interview them about how they're probably about to die. caesar is portrayed as being just as much of a dumbass as effie is, and yet katniss likes him. why?

because suzanne collins is a shitty writer. sorry, katniss stans.

[(Anonymous)]

lol genius, Katniss IS THE NARRATOR. her opinions are going to come across as Word of God even when they aren't (because as others noted, she did end up growing out of some of those opinions and lo and behold, suddenly the narration agreed with her!)

[inkdust]

This. It's not an objective narrator.

[(Anonymous)]

no, effie is written as a callous twit who's insistently chipper as she herds district 12 teenagers from grinding poverty to the games, year after year, as if their imminent deaths are less real to her than her nail polish.

[(Anonymous)]

Except Effie loved the Hunger Games. She completely believed in their good and that everything was OK and that shone through in her attitude. Additionally Katniss is a young girl being carted off to basically die. Meanwhile Effie is worrying about manners and superficial stuff. There is plenty of reason Katniss would dislike, if only because Effie really stands for everything she at that point knows about the Capital.

Meanwhile Cinna never gave the impression that he was omg so totally into the games. (and, you know, later on turned out to work for the resistance) That is something that also shines through. All the things he does are for Katniss' benefit (yeah yeah the glamorous dress is nice and all, but it is also genuinely important to make a good impression and get sponsors)

Also, tbh, his and Katniss' personalities seemed to fit better even without the whole hunger games aspect. Katniss is a no-nonsense kinda girl cause that is how she grew up. Timetables, manners, gossip, that is not the kinda stuff that interests her much cause lets face it, it doesn't keep you alive. That is the kinda stuff that Effie loves though, while Cinna has a more... almost introverted personality? Really, most I can remember of him is that he was fairly quiet, supportive and hardworking/driven. Which is something Katniss would find it far easier to get along with than to get along with someone who seems to be putting a lot of her energy in (to Katniss) completely useless superficial things.

[(Anonymous)]

In addition to 'unreliable narrator,'
1. Katniss didn't want to get to know anyone in advance of the Games, what with the murder and all. So, in a first person story, the reader doesn't get a chance to "meet" the other characters if the narrator doesn't.
2. If they really were trained early on to excel in the Games (and see participation as an honor), they probably DID have murder boners.

re: Cinna vs Effie, if you couldn't distinguish anything about their personalities or their respective opinions of the games, you apparently weren't paying much attention (and are now blaming the author for your inattentiveness).

[ninety6tears]

Don't forget the fact that the careers joyfully volunteer for the games, and then have the cowardice to gang up on the youngest and weakest. I would have loved it if Collins had made me sympathize with them, but she made it kind of impossible.

Also, Katniss did have a limited amount of compassion for those tributes so I'm not sure where this debate even comes from.

[(Anonymous)]

I would have loved it if Collins had made me sympathize with them, but she made it kind of impossible.

it cracks me up when people say shit like this and then act like the hunger games was a well-written series

[ninety6tears]

Subjectivity. There are plenty of people who sympathize with those characters; I just didn't.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't seem to understand how first person POV works. Of course Katniss does not like the careers - they're coming in a pack to kill her. Of course she does not sympathize with them. We do not have some omniscient narrator to point out that 'blah blah Cato had an unhappy childhood, woe'.

In the story that she's telling, there isn't time to get to know these people, nor does Katniss want to burden herself with emotional connections to them when it's going to come down to a death struggle.

None of that makes it bad writing. Maybe the story she told just isn't to your tastes. That doesn't mean that those who enjoyed it are just "act[-ing] like the hunger games was a well-written series."