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⌈ Secret Post #2319 ⌋

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[The Hunger Games]

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for me it wasn't about her being "depressed and closed off"

it was that the people she seems to approve of and the people she decides aren't worth it are so arbitrary. the biggest example for me was her immediate dislike of effie but her decision that cinna is a good guy, despite both of them working for the capitol and both of them having jobs related to the hunger games.

there's other things, too, like her idolization of her father but cold opinion of her mother, and the fact that she snarks about the district 1 girl's outfit and makeup, that are annoying, as well as her hatred of the career tributes (who are fighting for their lives too, regardless of whether they've trained for it or not), especially because many of the things katniss says in her narration are supposed to be things that ~everyone thinks.

Pretty much.

See, I actually found those things interesting and realistic. She's a teenage girl, so she is going to be a bit immature and fickle at times.

For me, her approval of Cinna and dislike of Effie made sense. Cinna was very sympathetic toward her circumstances, whereas Effie was not. Effie was not a terrible person, but she's an immature adult, turning a blind eye to the travesties the Capitol wreaks and lives in her own little world (which is similar to how Cinna's helpers act, and Katniss doesn't like them at first either, but they eventually grow on her, and she ends up rescuing them).

Also, I'm much closer to my mother than my father, so I've never really related that much to "daddy's girls," but Katniss' idolization of her father and cold opinion of her mother make sense. Katniss' father died when she was very young, so she's probably only going to remember good things about him. Her mother, on the other hand, completely shuts down after her father's death, when both Katniss and Prim were very vulnerable, so it makes sense that she would be a bit cold toward her. However, she also ends up becoming closer to her mother and admiring her talents and capabilities when it comes to being a doctor.

Katniss' hatred of the Careers also makes sense, imo. People have a tendency to dehumanize people and to treat them as "others" in times of war and strife. Katniss never struck me as the character who analyses things. She goes on gut feelings, and what she thinks is wrong. Another character would immediately be able to see that the Careers are also to be pitied, but it takes her a bit longer to realize this.

THIS

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This is basically how I felt about it. The books aren't perfect, and sometimes lack of clarity and inconsistency are issues, but a lot of the things people complain about Katniss doing make sense when you consider the position she's in and the fact that she's not a perfect person.

And some people claim the narrative is supportive of her wrong choices, but the whole story is told in present tense through her point of view. We're seeing the story exactly as she sees it at that moment, so of COURSE the narrative isn't going to condemn all of her mistakes.

Yeah, exactly. The story would be much different if it was told from past tense and/or from third person POV. I've heard quite a few people complain about the movie, but I appreciated the changes that were made because it gives a much more outward perspective rather than just Katniss' limited worldview.

This.

I know a lot of people don't like the 3rd book as they don't feel for Katniss, but I thought it portrayed someone with PTSD well. Katniss is a young girl thrown into war and has little control over her circumstance at the beginning. She's not perfect, but she's trying her best to survive and protect the ones she loves in a world that has been built against her.

Also, Effie embodied the all the stereotypes about extravagance and shallowness that people in District 12 held about the Capitol. Cinna did not. Effie and Katniss did not relate to each other at all; Cinna and Katniss did.

That pretty much sums up my opinion of Katniss as well. Also, I think she had a pretty severe case of PTSD starting from when her father died and which only got worse over the course of the series.

As some one with PTSD, I agree wholeheartedly. Hell the books were hard to read at times because it all felt so painfully familiar.

^this

Yeah, if you're fighting for your life w/o having any kind of real training, who wouldn't love the Career Tributes who are trained to kill from an early age? Yeah, if I was a competitor of theirs I'd love them too. Not. Get real. Also, Cinna came across as more sympathetic to her situation than Effie, who seemed stuck-up as hell. Yeah, why would Katniss like Cinna over Effie. Gee. I don't know that either. Oh, yes, I do.

i'm not saying katniss should have liked the career tributes on a personal level, but there's a problem when the narration treats it as a totally great opinion to have by making every single career tribute lack any kind of personality except for having a murder boner. because that's so realistic omg! likewise the cinna vs effie situation. effie is written as a stuck up bitch who should be disliked even though her only job is to pick names out of a lottery and escort the tributes to the capitol. meanwhile cinna, who is charged with actually preparing the tributes for their interviews, is written like he's this great guy. the same thing happens with fucking caesar flickerman, who katniss describes as being SUCH A NICE GUY who GENUINELY TRIES TO HELP THE TRIBUTES, even though his job is to interview them about how they're probably about to die. caesar is portrayed as being just as much of a dumbass as effie is, and yet katniss likes him. why?

because suzanne collins is a shitty writer. sorry, katniss stans.

lol genius, Katniss IS THE NARRATOR. her opinions are going to come across as Word of God even when they aren't (because as others noted, she did end up growing out of some of those opinions and lo and behold, suddenly the narration agreed with her!)

This. It's not an objective narrator.

no, effie is written as a callous twit who's insistently chipper as she herds district 12 teenagers from grinding poverty to the games, year after year, as if their imminent deaths are less real to her than her nail polish.

Except Effie loved the Hunger Games. She completely believed in their good and that everything was OK and that shone through in her attitude. Additionally Katniss is a young girl being carted off to basically die. Meanwhile Effie is worrying about manners and superficial stuff. There is plenty of reason Katniss would dislike, if only because Effie really stands for everything she at that point knows about the Capital.

Meanwhile Cinna never gave the impression that he was omg so totally into the games. (and, you know, later on turned out to work for the resistance) That is something that also shines through. All the things he does are for Katniss' benefit (yeah yeah the glamorous dress is nice and all, but it is also genuinely important to make a good impression and get sponsors)

Also, tbh, his and Katniss' personalities seemed to fit better even without the whole hunger games aspect. Katniss is a no-nonsense kinda girl cause that is how she grew up. Timetables, manners, gossip, that is not the kinda stuff that interests her much cause lets face it, it doesn't keep you alive. That is the kinda stuff that Effie loves though, while Cinna has a more... almost introverted personality? Really, most I can remember of him is that he was fairly quiet, supportive and hardworking/driven. Which is something Katniss would find it far easier to get along with than to get along with someone who seems to be putting a lot of her energy in (to Katniss) completely useless superficial things.

In addition to 'unreliable narrator,'
1. Katniss didn't want to get to know anyone in advance of the Games, what with the murder and all. So, in a first person story, the reader doesn't get a chance to "meet" the other characters if the narrator doesn't.
2. If they really were trained early on to excel in the Games (and see participation as an honor), they probably DID have murder boners.

re: Cinna vs Effie, if you couldn't distinguish anything about their personalities or their respective opinions of the games, you apparently weren't paying much attention (and are now blaming the author for your inattentiveness).

Don't forget the fact that the careers joyfully volunteer for the games, and then have the cowardice to gang up on the youngest and weakest. I would have loved it if Collins had made me sympathize with them, but she made it kind of impossible.

Also, Katniss did have a limited amount of compassion for those tributes so I'm not sure where this debate even comes from.

I would have loved it if Collins had made me sympathize with them, but she made it kind of impossible.

it cracks me up when people say shit like this and then act like the hunger games was a well-written series

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ninety6tears - 2013-05-10 03:25 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2013-05-10 15:39 (UTC) - Expand

Well,imo the difference is that Cinna knows The Hunger Games are an aberration and undestands that they shouldn't be doing that. On the other hand, Effie thinks THG are awesome and that tributes should be grateful.

It's easy to understand why she idolizes her father. He was a good man and now he can't make a mistake. Most orphans in her situation have the same reaction. But her mom had a deep depresion after her husband died and Katniss and Prue would have died if Katnis wouldn't have taken care of the family when she was only a kid. I don't blame Katniss' mom for having a depression, of course, but it's easy to understand too why Katniss resents her a little. She's only a teenager in the end and she doesn't even have the same information about that sickness that we have now.

In the case of the career tributes, they choose to fight for their lives. They want to be tributes. No wonder Katniss doesn't like them.

Not to mention endangering the entire resistance movement because OH NOES HER PEETA GOT KIDNAPPED ;_;

Pretty typical hero response: sacrificing one person for the good of the overall cause tends to be villain logistics in stories.

Yeah, but the resistance movement wasn't really proving itself as entirely good either, at least to her. It makes sense that she'd prefer to ensure the safety of someone she'd come to trust and rely on as a result of several life-threatening situations, as well as someone she'd come to associate with things like goodness and hope and so on. (Maybe not entirely healthily.)

Holy shit. There were reasons for all those things you mentioned. Effie treated her and Peeta like cute pets that lacked any real humanity while Cinna did everything he could to make a terrible situation a little bit easier for her. She and her father shared a clear bond and her mother left her, as a twelve year old, to care for her family including a young sister all on her own. Plus, her father died. It's normal to idolize people you've loved who have died.

Seriously, wow. I can't understand how anyone could hold such ridiculous opinions after actually having read the books.

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