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I'm glad I stopped watching this. Imo it just went downhill when Elena became a vampire.

See, I'm annoyed by what's good for the gander being unforgivable for the goose. Elena stabbed Stefan when he had his emotions off? YOU GO GIRL! Stefan tries to keep emotions-off Elena from murdering someone? OH MY GOD HE IS SO CONTROLLING WHY HE CAN'T HE JUST LET HER DO WHAT SHE WANTS?

As for the torture thing, it's proven that it works. Hell, it's how Lexie always dried Stefan out. Leaving Elena loose without her emotions was a disaster waiting to happen. Just like Damon was a disaster before he had a conscience.

Anyway, I don't blame Elena for her actions while she was emotionless. But I do dislike when people who act like her behavior at the time was awesome and girl-powery and telling it like it is. She was at best hurtful for the sake of being hurtful, and at worst a casual killer.

There are a lot of double standards on part of the audience, that I totally agree with.

But the torture thing does not work. Lexi's method for 'fixing' Stefan has proven itself to not work, given the fact that she's had to do it many times and that emotionless Stefan still is 'Ripper' Stefan.

In Stefan's case, you're basically saying that rehab is supposed to cure you forever. Stefan is an addict who turns off his emotions because he needs to justify murder to himself and can't handle the guilt. He has relapses and unfortunately Lexie had to rehab him several times. The torture isn't meant to cure who you are when you have your emotions off, it's meant to get you to turn your emotions on so you can look at the world with a conscience and build from there.

Tl:dr, Lexie's methods were not for Ripperism, they were for getting emotions to return so you have something to work with. After the torture I think it's pretty clear that Lexie went softer -- Stefan's diary mentioned that he spent decades after that in a depression during which Lexie's method involved trying to make him laugh.

What's tough about this is that Elena was in fact horrified at her own actions, and just leaving her like she was would've pretty much inevitably led to more people dying. Lexi and Elena tortured Stefan to try to de-ripperfy him, presumably because it would work/had worked in the past.... just trying to get him to feel something.

I agree that Damon shouldn't have made her flip her switch and her actions fall mostly on him as a consequence, but regardless, Elena would never want to be the monster she became. Just because he's responsible for that doesn't mean he should sit back and let her keep killing people (or trying to).

All that said, the way the brothers have talked about her/approached this has been utterly gross for the most part, and most of their scenes had me itching for someone to snap their necks.

I am not in this fandom at all, but am I reading these comments right? Vampires have an "emotion switch" ??

The show is pretty confused about it, tbh. There is a 'switch' but just how much control a vampire has over it changes to fit the plot. There were times when they even claimed 'the switch' was an idea more than a real thing but then there were other times when it seemed pretty tangible. But yes, arguably there is a 'switch' vampires uses to turn off their emotions, usually right after their turned so they can kill/feed without being consumed with guilt/fear/etc.

yeah there's an "emotion switch"

It basically gives the writers (or should I say JULIE PLEC?) an excuse when they want "good" characters to do bad things without being held accountable.

da

So THAT'S what I was watching the other night when I idly surfed past it then went back when I heard them talking about vampires. I got confused after about ten minutes, then turned it off after five more (after they lit the girl in the basement up till she was a crispy critter).

Yeah this explanation makes me think I'll give the show a pass, :-P

I don't think Elena should've been vilified because of what she did in her emotionless state. Then again, I don't think she should've been vilified for treating one/both of the Salvatores 'badly'. Fandom has attacked Elena for many things over the years so I don't think she's any more hated because of what she did while emotionless than because of how she's behaved in regards to the love triangle.

The idea of vilifying any of these characters over the others is ridiculous, at this point. They've all done terrible things. Granted, Klaus is probably one extreme with Caroline or Bonnie being the other but none of them are innocent or blameless.

damn this show is a mess

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