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⌈ Secret Post #2325 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure how much Silva actually counts as gay subtext. That scene wasn't really implying that Silva himself is gay (possibly he's bi, but he's previously established as sleeping with women), more that Silva is accustomed to using the threat of rape as a coercive/interrogation technique. The Bond mythos regularly portrays that as a risk of the spy game regardless of the sexualities of those concerned, Skyfall just finally went that extra step and showed it as a threat towards Bond instead of the random Woman-of-the-Movie. It heavily implies that both Silva and Bond have experienced rape or threats of rape as part of their jobs before.

I don't know. I just think that scene had nothing to do with sexuality or desire, and everything to do with power and threat and the dangers of the game. If Silva had foe-yay with anyone, it was that weird, twisted, mother-betrayer-lover thing he had with M.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this. I can definitely interpret the scene as foe yay, but if I sit down and analyze what I think was going on, your explanation is definitely what I end up with (at least as a major part of it). Silva's sexuality is irrelevant - the scene is about power dynamics and about who has the upper hand in that situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I mean, Silva could be bi. He could even be flat gay, and sleeping with women was just a blind or a deception or just pure habit from the job. It's really, really difficult to tell what the original sexualities might have been when sex is as much part of the job as anything done for personal pleasure for these people.

I actually do like that about the Craig!Bond era, that they went some way to explore the effects that has on Bond and other characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely - I keep wondering about Bond as well, and it's an interesting thought to toy with. What I hit on in this scene is just something else entirely.

Me too. I'm not a fan of the older movies and only started watching the Craig era ones because they're starting to explore those effects and psychology and all that (I haven't seen many of the non-Craig movies, and what I have seen was years and years ago, so I will admit my perspective could be skewed here, but the old ones always struck me as not at all interested in those aspects).

[(Anonymous)]

The older movies didn't really touch on the sexual implications, no. Bond was pretty much the straightest man on the planet and sex on the job was a perk rather than a duty. It didn't really go into the costs of that or the way it was using Bond as much as it was using the people he slept with.

Some of them did touch rather well on the emotional and psychological trauma of the job, though. Dalton was good at that, but then I liked Dalton and few other people do. Also Lazenby, whose Bond genuinely fell in love with one of his marks, married her, and was utterly crushed when she was killed. There's some good stuff in the older Bonds, they just don't go into the direct, pointed level of detail in this area that the Craig!Bonds do.

[(Anonymous)]

That was pretty much my impression! Never did appeal to me.

Sounds like Dalton and Lazenby might be worth a watch, though, I'll definitely keep that in mind, thanks :)

[(Anonymous)]

To warn you, On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby) gets severely mixed reviews. The story is good, the execution is questionable. I liked it, especially the last scene, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.

[(Anonymous)]

Came here to post this. Good job anon!

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

DA: I agree with your interpretation (and that's one of the reasons the gay-seeming villain trope didn't bother me). I loved that they actually went with the sexual threat, common in spy movies, from a guy towards Bond. As I loved when in one of the previous movies sex for information was shown as strictly a job for Bond.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. The Craig!Bond movies are doing really well with actually trying to deal with this sort of thing. They're a bit hit and miss in places, and there's a lot of old-school Bond problems hanging around (Severine, for example), but they're taking risks the franchise didn't before.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes this. In most cases I've seen where a book/movie/etc. actually goes there with male-on-male rape (or threat of), it's all about the power/humiliation at work, and not about the villain being ~an evil gay~

(haha I kind of really liked the twisted mother issues Silva had going on much more than his interactions with Bond...)

[(Anonymous)]

(haha I kind of really liked the twisted mother issues Silva had going on much more than his interactions with Bond...)

Oh, so did I. It was a wonderfully twisted, intimate connection, and it gave so much depth to M as well.