[ SECRET POST #2325 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2325 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but personal accusations can be appropriate, as can be telling people that just because they don't experience sth as a problem, it doesn't mean nobody else does, which probably has sth to do with how said problem looks in society as a whole (privilege).
And, as I replied above, the anti-SJ crowd does not tend to draw the line between behavior and intentions. There's a lot of flinging around of words like "legitimate issues", and comparing things to slavery and women's suffrage. But mostly just loling at those dumb sjws.
I am also really not comfortable with turns of phrase like ·above and beyond", because it sounds a lot like "taking equality too far", which is like, well, how far are we allowed?
The "kill urself" thing is not something I have actually seen, with the exception of "die cis scum", which is fucking complex and should be examined very fucking carefully (death and violent death being kind of a reality for trans people).
What I have seen happen under the guise of SJ was violent misogyny, i.e. fandom members being called cunts and told to get raped. Which is anti-SJ. And I don't mean that in a no true scotsman way, but in the sense that in a supposedly SJW crowd, telling someone to get raped won't get you social capital, and accordingly done anonymously (at least on tumblr) Is this sth worth thinking into? I genuinely don't know and it's late.

[(Anonymous)]

"Die cis scum" is something that needs to be examined "very fucking carefully"? I'm sorry, but WTF do you mean? What is fucking complex about telling someone to die?

Under the guise of social justice, I have seen things such as: it's hilarious when men get sexually abused, it's good when men get raped because then they can understand the plight of women, straight white kids getting bullied is hilarious, people dogpiled and not forgiven ever for making an honest mistake with semantics, and entire communities that are basically a huge circle jerk for showing off how much they hate whiteys and men.

and from this non-male, non-straight, non-white person, SJW get a big "fuck you" from me. they harm the cause, they don't help it.

[(Anonymous)]

ntayrt but 'die cis scum' is never 'omg let's kill cis people' but rather a reclaimation and salvaging social movement attempting to force cis people to see the reality we (trans*) people actually live with. no one is ever going to, in all seriousness, kill you or declare you should be killed for being cis, but we see and hear and face and experience it daily. it's meant as a way of 'put yourself in my shoes' for a people who will never be able to wear said shoes. there will never be a point in social history where someone is actually oppressed for being cis and 'die cis scum' is meant to highlight that fact.

but cis people go 'oh my god so I SHOULD DIE FOR BEING CIS OMG YOU'RE HORRIBLE' because knee-jerking and failing to critically assess the issue. sure, not everyone is going to get it immediately, but that's part of the point. the outrage and hurt and 'but why meeeee' aspect is what a cis person is supposed to feel when they hear that phrase. and then they're supposed to realize '...oh. oh I see'

and to return to the broader topic, I hate the strawman of 'but I have seen a (minority) do (horrible things) so ALL (minorities) ARE TERRIBLE AND NEED TO STFU' everyone in these conversations says they've seen XYZ but citations are always needed and never provided, and the strawman is only ever used to shout down people who are markedly NOT saying (horrible things). ie 'all social justice is stupid because someone* told me to get raped once so you can't complain about rape jokes, rape survivor!'

[(Anonymous)]

.............you're literally telling people they should die because they're cis but it ~doesn't ~matter because ~reasons!

See, the problem I have is that's fucking stupid, but also

- you're telling all racial minorities to die (if they're cis)
- you're telling all people with disabilities to do (if they're cis)
- you're telling all LGB people to die (if they're cis)
- you're telling all disenfranchised people to die (if they're cis)
- you're telling all people with economic hardship to die (if they're cis)

and don't give me the bullshit "but I'm only talking about cis scum! if you're not scum you're fine!" argument, because that shit doesn't fly; no one reads it like that, it's just a shitty defense for telling people to go die and claiming it as "social justice"

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, no. Telling someone to die is not something that can be done ironically. I'm not going to tell a man "get raped!" because they should ~think about it~ and put themselves in my shoes. Not to mention, guess what, dying violently IS a reality for ALL people. Go on, then, tell me how often your death threat works and helps people go "oh, I see."

So if you get shit for saying that, you deserve it 110%. Seriously. I don't even need "strawman" evidence, here you demonstrate perfectly why SJWs suck.

[(Anonymous)]

To coin a phrase: "Intentions aren't magical." What you MEAN by the phrase or WANT people to take away from it isn't necessarily the message the person you're speaking to is going to hear and internalize. You can't know what actual harm you might be doing. If any of this sounds familiar, IT SHOULD.

On the flip side, if you think it's EVER okay to gang up and shout someone into silence for merely stating an opinion with which you disagree, even vehemently, then I have very little respect for you. Two wrongs do not make a right, and when you sink to an asshole's level you're certainly not lifting anyone up or making the world a better place. You're just adding one more asshole of a slightly different variety.

[jaybie_jarrett]

the rabid SJs aren't even for "equality" they're for "hurt you because I'm hurt".

For example I'm female. I don't want men to be treated like sex objects and scorned and looked down upon, just because I'm more likely to face that as a woman. I want it all to stop all the sexism and racism and ableism and homophobia and other prejudices.

this secret is calling out bullying behavior by SJWs. Their actions. Not their causes. Nowhere does it say the cause is wrong just that people hide behind it to bully.

[(Anonymous)]

This is said perfectly. SJW are about making things "equal" by wanting to hurt others as much as they've been hurt. Not only praising or excusing crimes against "majority" people, but ruthlessly attacking people who make mistakes.

I want equality only in that I don't want to suffer injustice myself. And I don't want other people to face injustices, regardless of whether or not they are in a "majority" group.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm willing to bet a lot of them have never actually experienced anything like what they complain about except via anecdote.