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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-15 06:34 pm

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[personal profile] jaybie_jarrett 2013-05-16 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
uh...the mean girls who publicly post people's addressed , tell people to kill themselves and tell other people of their group what to think, yeah.

I know i'm not against the things SJW's stand for....its how they stand for them. People have to actually abide by standards they set for other people. The SJWs need to learn that they're not going to get excused from everything because "oh we're doing activism punch a hole in our good deed punchcard please? Yay we're internet famous"
ariakas: (man walks on fucking moon)

[personal profile] ariakas 2013-05-16 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, posting people's real names and locations has it's place. The internet is not anonymous, and you can't go around spewing racial slurs and expect it not to get back to you. Telling people to kill themselves is 4chan levels of puerile, of course, but when Gawker posted the real names and schools of a bunch of college students on Twitter who called the president a nigger, and several of them lost scholarships as a result, I did not feel sorry for them in the least and I think Gawker was 100% in the right.

Of course, using activism as an excuse to bully is horrible, but we get that. That shit is out there. But there is also truly harmful, racist and misogynist shit out there that should be called out and rallied against. We also get that appropriation is bad. Everyone gets this. Now it's an endless cycle of help help I'm being oppressed! Someone said something problematic! Someone said something I said was problematic!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[personal profile] jaybie_jarrett 2013-05-16 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just interested in getting the fakers out The fakers and the ones who abuse the cause are the ones who need to be called out. They are who, at least I call "SJWs"

I guess what I'm saying is, yeah real activism is good but we need to let people know that they can't discredit these important causes by being asses.

We need to call out the people who tell others "You can't say you're depressed you're white" or "lol men's tears" in response to a girl posting about how she hates "men's tears" because she knows guys who have been abused raped and have eating disorders.
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[personal profile] ariakas 2013-05-16 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
"The fakers" is an interesting way of putting it, since if I had a nickel for every time an anti-SJW railed about being oppressed by terrible, bullying SJWs the actual thread went like "racist/misogynist slur" --> "that's racist/misogynist!" --> "no it isn't stupid SJWs!" --> "check your privilege!" --> "you told me to check my privilege?! you're racist/sexist against white people/men!" I'd be considerably better off.

Then it devolves into shit-flinging on both sides. If rape/death threats are made against the SJW, it becomes a sterling example of how minorities are oppressed to repost time after time; if rape/death threats are made against the anti-SJW, it becomes an example of how SJWs don't "really" mean it and just want to bully people and said link gets posted time after time.

Even better! Anti-SJWs who jump into the conversation and use terms like "lol men's tears" or "you sound white" in an attempt to mock or discredit the SJWs/SJWs making hyperbolically racist or sexist statements to do the same. I've seen both too many times and it's fucking pathetic.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I think what they were trying to get at is people who are plugged into social issues being against SJW behavior.

Privileged bigots go far beyond just being anti-SJW, since they are basically focusing on a vocal and visible mouthpiece for very important issues that they are dismissing and lashing out against as a whole.

After all, if they're the ones flinging that particular brand of shit, you know that there's no one and nothing that they're going to find "reasonable" at this point in their lives.

It's a big part of why civil criticism and debate about this issue cannot really exist, since on top of being sensitive, justified and important disagreement is also automatically labeled as derailment/tone argument/internalized bigotry/etc. and lumped in with the people who are crying about being oppressed by "reverse racism" and "heterosexual erasure" -- because that definitely is the other half of the landslide.

I agree though, it's exhausting and depressing all the way around. More so because it also doubles the burden of what needs to be accomplished.