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What's this?

It's a scene from Torchwood: Children of Earth, one of the most memorable ones.

Not that memorable; which one was it? (All I can recall of Torchwood is a long series of shots just like this OMG)

In Torchwood yeah, but there's only one shot like that in Children of Earth - the one where Gwen is wondering where the Doctor is and recording it.

Maybe it depends on whether you watched CoE when it came out or not -- this scene was the centerpiece of quite a few BBC promos, IIRC.

Yeah, really only memorable for the people who saw the promos on BBC One at the time, which is less than 1/4 of the people who watched COE.

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Apart from the cabinet scenes. Those scenes were haunting, and hell, prophetic of the current english government.

Prophetic? What makes you say that?

Demonisation of the underclass to justify doing awful things to them? Although to be fair, with a Tory government it's not exactly the biggest leap of faith.

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Memorable for you, maybe. I saw COE but really only the ending was memorable for me. I haven't bothered to watch it since because I loved the MOTW format and so my Torchwood rewatches have been limited to that.

I watched it and I don't remember this scene either. That was a long time ago.

CoE is so flawless.

IMO it was far from flawless (several plotholes and discrepancies), but yeah, as a whole it was utterly amazing.

And I usually hate that kind of depressing cynical shit. But CoE made it work somehow.

I thought it was incredible and I'd only seen the odd episode of Torchwood (though I was a massive Doctor Who fan). Maybe that makes my opinion invalid, but as a piece of television it was wonderful. And I think the fact that I could follow it and empathise with characters without a prior history of the show is to its credit. Not flawless by any means (I felt Ianto's death, for example, was rather cheap and sensationalist- but even that kind of worked because often death is kind of senseless. I could've lived without it though) but truly excellent for a show I'd always perceived of as rather goofy.

I'm a big fan of these ultra-cynical things, though.

Different anon. I agree with this 100%

I love CoE but as with many of RTD's works I wouldn't call it flawless. More deeply flawed but bold enough for me to love it anyway.

Why do you say that? I'm curious because that doesn't seem to be a popular opinion.

I think CoE-hate is only popular among hardcore fans of Torchwood seasons 1 and 2 (also, the shippers of Jack/Ianto). Critical reception to it was highly positive.

lol. I was being a bit hyperbolic, but I do generally think that CoE is some brilliant television. It's dark, but it explores the darkside of humanity in a really fascinating way. Like Jack isn't evil. But he still chose to give those children to this alien creature for the sake of sparing the rest of humanity.

Thanks for answering! I hadn't really thought about that since it aired. I might have to watch it again.

All I remember from COE is how stupid Ianto's death was. I wasn't even a Ianto fan but having him and jack confront the big bad with no leverage and no real plan for no real reason was just idiotic.

And also that extremely powerful scene where the government worker commits suicide.

The idiocy of Ianto's death didn't bother me personally as much because it was meant to be idiotic -- they go charging in with all their principles and morals and strength of character and stuff, and...yeah, no, doesn't work like that boys. Oops. Sucks for you. It's so awful and pointless, but the fact that it was intentional worked for me personally. I can see why it wouldn't work for everyone though.

And Frobisher's murder-suicide is one of a very few scenes in TV that literally made me turn cold. *shivers*

uh, I was watching Day 5 recently again and I don't know... On the one hand, it's an interesting scene and kind of quintessentially RTD-ish (bringing in the Doctor, plus the religious subtext) - but in context (I mean, having seen the episode and knowing that the world is not in fact ending) it feels a bit baity.

Yeah, it is kind of baity on one level, but on another...I don't know, I think Gwen genuinely might have felt like the world was ending. The world as she knew it, at least, because as far as she knew, she was now going to have to live the rest of her life on a planet whose leaders gave up the unfavorite 10% of their children as appeasement under threat, and then planned to lie about it to save their own skins.

She was always one of the most idealistic and undamaged characters, and contrasting her despair here with her "it's completely bloody magic...the whole wide world is bigger, my life is bigger" conversation with Patanjali in Day One...it's still in-character, IMO.

It was a really amazing scene. What she said was so awful and misanthropic yet so horribly understandable for the situation. And evocative, god.

Although she, uh, really shouldn't have said that stuff in front of the kids...unless she genuinely believes that humanity sucks so hard that the kids should be informed of it from the start <_<