[ SECRET POST #258 ]

[shahni.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #258 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:
- Sorry for the late, people!
- Also... guys. Make the secrets sound like something you'd be secretive about? Just bashing things isn't a secret, it's wank. D: Thanks!

Secrets Left to Post: 01 page, 035 secrets from Secret Submission Post #037.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [1] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [1] broken link
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Friday, September 21st, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 11 and 12

[cftf.livejournal.com]

If that were the only reason for pairing Phoenix and Edgeworth together, sure. That would definitely be equally as shallow, only from a yaoi fangirl/boy stance instead of a heteronormative "THESE TWO ARE TOGETHER YAY" stance.

But that ISN'T the only reason for pairing Phoenix and Edgeworth--the game reinforces that the two have a tremendously intense, passonate, and dynamic bond between them. The game goes out of its way to define Phoenix and Maya as family, and it's by far one of my favorite relationships in the game (with Edgeworth and Franziska's equally-as-adorable sibling love right up there). No such definition is made with Phoenix and Edgeworth (and in fact, if you've played the third game, it sort of... almost defines it the other way around >_>)

So no, they aren't hypocritical or double standards at all.

So shut your face. :D

Re: 11 and 12

[(Anonymous)]

Firstly, last time I checked, relationships aren't set in stone. Second, not everyone can see the so-called "romantic" subtext between Phoenix and Edgeworth. Regardless, the point isn't about the validity of these pairings, it's the whole 'OMG PAIRING MAIN GUY WITH MAIN GIRL IS SHALLOWZ OMGZZZ!!!' as if Phoenix/Maya shippers can't like it due to, you know, their dynamics.

So, NO U.

Re: 11 and 12

[cftf.livejournal.com]

You mean the dynamics that firmly establish them as family?

Have you played the third game (out of curiousity)?

Re: 11 and 12

[(Anonymous)]

This is getting off-tangent from what I was simply trying to call out, but okay, treating each other like a family doesn't really invalidate peoples' reasons for shipping those two, especially considering how "family" can mean so much for different people, it does not just fall on the brother/sister category, so to speak, in fact I've seen other people interpret their relationship like how an eccentric married couple acts (not that I see it that way, just letting you know how other people have interpreted it).

And yes, I have played the third game.

Re: 11 and 12

[cftf.livejournal.com]

I don't think it IS getting off-tangent. The 11 OP wasn't saying that all main guy+main girl pairings are like that, s/he was saying that Phoenix and Maya were like that, which does directly come down to the validity of the pairing itself. Since the third game establishes them firmly as two people who love each other to death--in virtually completely platonic bonds--while going out of its way to deny them as a romantic couple... 11 is saying that it's hard for him/her to see anybody shipping the two of them together as doing it out of anything but the aforementioned heteronormative main guy/main girl OTP. Since the game really does affirm there's NOTHING there.

Whereas the game doesn't make that same effort to go out of its way and deny anything between Phoenix and Edgeworth (see: the "secret" when you fail to break the last part of Iris' first Psyche-Lock, also Edgeworth's reaction to presenting Iris' Hood).

So no, it really ISN'T hypocritical at all.

Re: 11 and 12

[(Anonymous)]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here, because I believe relationships aren't set in stone; in fact, their strong friendship is a good foundation for something more. All I'm really saying is that fans that do like the pairing doesn't just fall in the "heteronormative mainguy/maingirl OTP", but more so for the pairing's amusing and endearing dynamics, at least for the fans I have come across with. Overgeneralizing isn't the way to go about it, thankyouverymuch.

from 11

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. Well, it's true that family can mean different kinds of things and often includes couples. But personally, seeing as how in the third game [minor spoilers, highlight to read] I think in Phoenix and Maya's case it's pretty clear exactly what that connotes.