[ SECRET POST #2328 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2328 ⌋

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Comments

[silverau]

Okay... that was really rude. Just because you've never heard of the dialect doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I apologize for my rudeness. I also worded that wrongly. I don't doubt your dialect exists, it's just that "female" will always sound dehumanizing to me, and no culture is free from the tendency to do that to women. I think of it the same way regardless of dialect. Jane Austen couldn't sell me on that shit. Sorry.

[silverau]

I understand how you feel. Just explaining why I don't see it that way. It's not even really a part of my personal dialect - I don't often say it myself, but I also don't feel dehumanized when I'm hanging out with a group of girls and a male friend calls out "Hey, females!" to get our attention. If other people are used to only hearing the word "females" to refer to animals - or to refer to girls/women in contexts that are blatantly dehumanizing (like oh-so-funny "jokes" along the lines of "Scientists will never understand this strange and mysterious female species"), I get why they would.

I think the issue is that there's no good word that refers to girls and women casually. "Guy" and "dude" and "bro" are varying levels of masculine, "woman" sounds too formal and doesn't work if you're talking about teenagers or mixed-age groups, "chicks" and "gals" are old slang... "bitch" is sometimes used in a reclaimed way by girls to refer to friends but in most cases is still offensive, "girl" is infantilizing when used on anyone over 20... so people compromise with words like "female" or "lady." It's not necessary to call boys "males" or "gentlemen" because they can just be called "guys."

I wish words like "dude" or "guy" would just hurry up and evolve to be gender-neutral so it wouldn't be an issue. 'xD

[(Anonymous)]

I'm doing my part to try and make 'dude' a gender-neutral term, but some ladies have been (understandably) resistant to being referred to as such. Maybe someday...

[silverau]

Yeah, I'm conflicted about that word myself. I don't mind being called that myself, but I tend to say "gurl" when most people would say "dude" if I'm talking to a girl. Then again, the word seems to be going out of fashion anyway, being replaced with "bro", and words cannot explain the intensity with which I hate the word "bro." So maybe I should just say "dude" as much as possible to preserve it. 'xD

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's a good point too. There aren't as many good casual words for women as there are for men... I too use "dude" as a gender-neutral word for that reason.

Well, sorry I kind of acted like a bigot whilst complaining about bigotry!

[silverau]

I'm confused about how many anons are in this subthread...

Anyway, apology accepted. 'xD It's okay; I get where you were coming from now.

[(Anonymous)]

As a note, though, if you refer to both men and women by the clinical nouns with equal frequency, I don't have a problem with it. I thought it would have been mentioned by now if it did since that moves the goalposts pretty profoundly but I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.