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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-19 03:32 pm

[ SECRET POST #2329 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2329 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-05-20 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
Are we sure there WAS a memo and not just a group of people probably on tumblr deciding it was offensive like some sort of secret handshake?

Because people seem to be doing that an awful lot recently, regardless of the wishes of sometimes large portions of the population in question. o.o
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[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-05-20 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe? As far as I know, "tranny" has always had negative connotations, the only variation was really just how negative and whether it should stay negative (as in, did the negativity come from the term itself or did the negativity come from the fact it meant some kind of trans* person?)

That said, I wouldn't be surprised about the secret-handshake aspect of it. My jaw nearly hit the floor the first time I saw "person of color" in a fandom context, and I cringed when I realized this is the term I'm supposed to refer to myself by in a collective manner to be politically correct. If it were just chosen on the basis of being "the least offensive to the least amount of people possible", I wouldn't be nearly so bothered by it because I know that sometimes you have to settle for something in the name of expediency. I tend to be more bothered by the attitude that a.) this is something all 'people of color' are supposed to be happy about and b.) the idea that using "non-white" is offensive, and if you are an ethnic minority and use that term you're somehow doing...minority-ness wrong, or something like that. This stuff changes so fast I'm not sure which part of my ethnic identity/terminology I'm supposed to feel guilty about. Especially since increasingly I'm not sure if it's supposed to refer to ALL ethnic minorities or just those of African descent. >.<

It's one thing to say "this term does have negative connotations, but it has the least amount so let's all just get over our hang-ups and use it, and maybe reclaim it in the process". It's another thing entirely to imply "you shouldn't be so upset about this term in the first place, it's a lot better than how you are already referring to yourself as/defining yourself by". Or worst of all, "Oh, you don't like that term? Then clearly you're just a white person pretending to be [insert ethnicity here]!" (which is something I had lobbied at me once, though hilariously enough this one happened in real life, and none of this person's friends took it seriously considering I was standing right there and am very clearly not white).

/rant

(Anonymous) 2013-05-20 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
No, that last part about "how you define yourself is offensive" is truly staggering to me. Because...no.

Yes, there is a chance that, say, a gay individual that refers to him/herself as "faggot" has institutionalized the negative connotations of the word, but I have also known one or two men who were very confident and very secure in their identities and sexuality who referred to themselves ass faggot in a tongue-in-cheek sense.

So, yeah. I am firmly of the opinion that NOBODY has the right to determine how people identify themselves. If I want to refer to myself as a "hysteric fit-prone cunt" (referring to my depression, epilepsy and ovaries respectively) then nobody should get to say I can't. I'm not about to, but I feel that if I felt like it, I should be able to. If it came from a place of self-hatred, then perhaps I could be directed to seek help, but if it doesn't....well....yeah. End of story.