[ SECRET POST #2333 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2333 ⌋

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Comments

[akacat]

I was cringing when both Moriarty and Adler popped up in Elementary... But I ended up enjoying what they did with them this season. (I can't say much more without getting into spoilers for the finale.)

[fenm]

While I agree the dealt with it better and more creatively than most, it was still... well, those two characters in the adaptation. Oh, and as much as they played with the idea, they STILL turned Irene into a goddamn love interest.

Hell, I'm not sure I'd mind Irene in an adaptation if they'd COMPLETELY remove the love interest aspect, on both their parts. Any bets on that happening any time soon?

[akacat]

Is she a love interest in the RDJ movies? I didn't think she was, but I wasn't really paying attention when I watched them, either.

[sootyowl]

Yes she was.

[(Anonymous)]

Ish. Sort of. At least they played it a bit more like Holmes being a creepy obsessed stalker and Irene playing it but being vaguely exasperated at the same time.

But then the second movie happened, and any vague good will from me regarding Irene went out the window.

(different anon, by the way)

[(Anonymous)]

I...what? Just...what?

If anything, Irene was the stalker...

[funyarinpainahat]

Hell, I'm not sure I'd mind Irene in an adaptation if they'd COMPLETELY remove the love interest aspect, on both their parts.

PRAISE JESUS SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS

[fenm]

LOL!

Seriously, though, I wonder if at least some of my hatred for Adler is that most adaptations have her be in love with Holmes, or Holmes be in love with her, or them be in love with each other... Because there's clearly NO way a man an woman can interact and be impressed with each other unless it involves them wanting to fuck. [glares]

[funyarinpainahat]

It ruins her character, too. Part of what makes her appealing in the stories is that she waltzes in, makes a mess, and runs out. She never gets attached, and she gets the best of Holmes--definitively. She beats him, and that's why she stands out.

[fenm]

Yeah, true. IN fact, I think she made more of an impression on him than vice versa. I get this feeling that after she left England, she never thought of Holmes again... (-:

[(Anonymous)]

I like to think she just wanted to get married and move back to the States and found all these wacky shenanigans with Holmes and the photograph to be a tiring inconvenience but not some personal slight that she brooded over later.

[ghostofcairo]

I say if adaptations insist on including Irene, and making her a love interest, the least they could do is genderswap her first. :D

[(Anonymous)]

But the whole point of Irene is that she one-upped Sherlock Holmes. That she was a women makes it doubly awesome. Women don't get to be that intelligent all that often.

Genderbending that would be really frustrating.

[ghostofcairo]

True, but I was thinking more along the lines of just the idea of Irene. None of the recent adaptations have made her true to the original character anyway, so if they insist on making her a love interest (which she wasn't in the original) why not make her a guy too?

If an adaptation was faithful to the original stories then obviously she should stay female because to change that pretty much defeats the purpose, but in something like Elementary where things are already so different than the original canon anyway I think it would've been kind of cool to make Sherlock bi and Irene a guy.

I'm probably not making sense, but I guess mainly I just want him to have a male love interest someday.

[fenm]

Women don't get to be that intelligent all that often.

And she was written in the 1890s.

Also, the point of her in adaptations is, again, to assure the audience that Holmes is straight. If they're gonna genderswap her, they should just do Holmes/Watson.

[ghostofcairo]

Also, the point of her in adaptations is, again, to assure the audience that Holmes is straight. If they're gonna genderswap her, they should just do Holmes/Watson.

Yep, on second thought Holmes/Watson would make way more sense.

Male Irene sounded like a good idea in my head lol, but yeah, in practice it wouldn't really work.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel you. I once played around with a genderswapped Sherlock Holmes in my head (with every character genderswapped) but even then, when Male!Irene wasn't a love interest, I felt vaguely irked by the idea. Even if he was the one man who could one-up fem!Sherlock, making Irene a man rankles.

[elephantinegrace]

Oh, man, when Irene was first mentioned, I groaned out loud because I knew what happened at the end of Risk Management was going to happen. But I didn't expect the finale to happen, and I ended up enjoying it immensely. (I thought it was better than a certain other two adaptations of Irene Adler, anyway.)