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Comments

[fenm]

I've said it before, I'll say it again; I'll keep saying it until it happens:

I live for the day that there's an adaptation of Sherlock Holmes that doesn't feature Irene Adler or James Moriarty in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.

[othellia]

[fenm]

LOL!

Oh, man I have that somewhere, I should watch it...

[(Anonymous)]

I just want MILVERTON. IS THAT SO HARD PEOPLE.

[(Anonymous)]

God, I know, right?

Although I tend to subscribe to the theory that Milverton was one of the agents or pawns of Moriarty so I think if you're going to do Milverton (and you totally should) it makes sense to end up doing Moriarty as well. But if you're going to do Moriarty, for God's sake, do Milverton.

[elephantinegrace]

Watch Elementary. The episode "Dead Man's Switch" is my favorite adaptation of good ol' Charlie, ever. (I might be biased because I've decided Elementary is the best thing that's ever happened to CBS after Cold Case, so...)

Regardless, the extremely controversial topics were handled sensitively, and you should go watch it. Seriously, right now.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh. The episode was fine but Milverton the character was eliminated during the cold open. I thought that episode was the biggest letdown of the entire series.

[(Anonymous)]

I want Abbey Grange. And Gloria Scott, though that might be questionable - the idea of a modern adaptation trying to do young!Holmes, college!Holmes, with a friend who isn't Watson, makes me a bit nervous. Oh, and also Copper Beeches, can I have Violet Hunter please? And, hmm, a clean version of the Bruce Partington Plans. And yes, definitely also Milverton. It's fascinating to watch Holmes completely flip his lid at the man.

There's always Granada, of course, but it'd be nice to see more Holmes stories that aren't mix'n'matched versions of Final Problem, Scandal in Bohemia, The Sign of Four and the Hound of the Baskervilles.

[fenm]

Everything about this comment is good and you should feel good.

[(Anonymous)]

VIOLET HUNTER

PLEASE

Like even if Elementary did have her she'd just be played as some rival to Joan or be completely useless or different/name-droppish

and I will eat my copies of the collections if BBC tries her because it will just be a clusterfuck

[(Anonymous)]

I was going to suggest The Great Mouse Detective, but then I remembered that Ratigan is the small furry animal equivalent of Moriarty.

Sorry. :(

[fenm]

Yeah, he's even referred to as "the Napoleon of Crime"...

He's one of the ones I like, though... well, he's voiced by Vincent Price, so... yeah.

Hmmm... Vincent Price...

[akacat]

I was cringing when both Moriarty and Adler popped up in Elementary... But I ended up enjoying what they did with them this season. (I can't say much more without getting into spoilers for the finale.)

[fenm]

While I agree the dealt with it better and more creatively than most, it was still... well, those two characters in the adaptation. Oh, and as much as they played with the idea, they STILL turned Irene into a goddamn love interest.

Hell, I'm not sure I'd mind Irene in an adaptation if they'd COMPLETELY remove the love interest aspect, on both their parts. Any bets on that happening any time soon?

[akacat]

Is she a love interest in the RDJ movies? I didn't think she was, but I wasn't really paying attention when I watched them, either.

[elephantinegrace]

Oh, man, when Irene was first mentioned, I groaned out loud because I knew what happened at the end of Risk Management was going to happen. But I didn't expect the finale to happen, and I ended up enjoying it immensely. (I thought it was better than a certain other two adaptations of Irene Adler, anyway.)

[sootyowl]

Me too. Or at least not have Irene Adler as the lover/in love with Sherlock. Can't she be fierce on her own?

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

Well. Y'know. The Seven Per-Cent Solution wasn't complete crap or anything. Mind you, Moriarty was a fevered cocaine hallucination, and nothing more, in that one.

[(Anonymous)]

sa

Oh, and Irene only showed up at the end, and was totally subtext.

[fenm]

Ya know, maybe I should clarify:

It's possible to do Adler and Moriarty well (as seen in Elementary). I just get tired of:

-None of the other interesting characters in Holmes canon getting adapted because the writers keep going back to the same few stories over and over instead of looking through the rest of canon. There are 60 stories; Adler is only in one and Moriarty is only in two. Even counting the fact that Hound of the Baskervilles gets adapted fairly often, there's still over 55 stories most adaptations ignore.

-The need for every show/movie series/etc to have a big bad. I'm not a fan of this anyway honestly, and when, in Holmes adaptations, it's always the same big bad... Yeah.

-The need to give Sherlock a love interest. Cuz God forbid anyone think he might be anything other than straight. Not to mention; there are other strong, intelligent women in canon; at least mix it up and have him interested in someone other than the woman who, in canon, was MARRIED.

[silverr]

Eh, I thought the Granada adaptations were quite good, ( and afaik they used only Doyle's dialog.)

And I'll take Victorian opera singer Irene over skanky dominatrix Irene.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they mostly used Doyle's dialogue, yes. However, I'm pretty sure they mixed it around some. I can't remember specific incidences, but I'm almost positive that some things said by Holmes in the books were said by Watson in Granada, or Lestrade, and a few vice versa as well. Granada did a few odd things in places, and tended to put characters into stories they weren't in originally (Mycroft showed up in some random places, from what I remember, and I think Lestrade replaced Gregson a time or two as well).

None of which really matters to me, because Granada!Holmes is basically awesome, and Colin Jeavons as Lestrade is adorable.

[fenm]

Granada gets a pass; they were doing every story, not just the popular ones. Plus, they were awesome. (-:

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, THIS, I hated how BBC!Sherlock Tumblr fandom was all justification-y over Irene, and TRYING TO RETCON THE CANON TO SAY THAT IRENE ADLER IN SCAN WAS ACTUALLY A PROSTITUTE AND AAAAGGGHHHH

...

Sorry. I'll mop up.