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I actually was kind of hopeful for like, 5 seconds, that they would actually do Holmes/Watson on Sherlock because of Irene's comment about both of them being in love with him but...I can't imagine there's any way they'd actually go there.
Elementary, OTOH... Don't even get me fucking started.
Ugh, yes. I do really like Elementary for the most part but yeah, every time I think about the way they've handled his sexuality it pisses me off so fucking much. I almost didn't watch any further after the way it was handled in the pilot. Overall I'm glad I did, because like I said, I do enjoy the show, but I just don't understand why they felt all that was necessary.
I guess that was my point with the stupid male Irene comment above (I feel like an idiot for that comment now because the more I think about it, it makes zero sense)...I just want something other than straight to be an option.
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Oh God, that scene...
every time I think about the way they've handled his sexuality it pisses me off so fucking much.
Yeah... they eased off as the season went on, thankfully.
I guess that was my point with the stupid male Irene comment above [...] I just want something other than straight to be an option.
Yeah, I see where you're going with that. Because it'd be great to see more queer characters in the media (and while this would actually make Holmes gay or bi, I include asexuals in that). And honestly, if they're gonna fuck Irene up as much as they did in, say Sherlock, there's not much point in keeping her female. Originally, she was the only woman who defeat Holmes; but if she's not going to defeat him, why does she even need to be female? She's not "the woman who beat Sherlock Holmes" she's just another person Sherlock defeated. Whoopdy-shit.
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Thankfully. I have no idea what will happen next season as far as love interests or whatever (personally I'd be fine if both of them stayed single but I'm sure the writers have different plans) but hopefully they realize that the audience has gotten the point by now that he's a TOTALLY STRAIGHT HETEROSEXUAL MAN WHO LOVES HAVING SEX WITH WOMEN and that the stuff from the first few episodes isn't really necessary.
Yeah, I see where you're going with that. Because it'd be great to see more queer characters in the media (and while this would actually make Holmes gay or bi, I include asexuals in that).
Yeah, I think asexual counts, too. I actually thought at first they might go that way with Elementary. Unless I'm totally imagining things, I remember him making some comment early on in the pilot about not really liking sex but finding it a biological need or something to that effect, and Watson basically being like "lol no it's not possible for someone to not be into sex, you're lying" and it turned out that he was (I guess) because from then on he was all about lots of sex. With women, of course.
And going back to BBC Sherlock, I think Watson having unrequited feelings while Sherlock is asexual and completely uninterested, or Sherlock returning his feelings while also being asexual and them trying to figure out how that would work, could be interesting. But of course, asexuals are "boring" and although I don't know Moffat's thoughts on gay/bi people, I'm not sure I want to know, and I doubt we'd see either of those scenarios.
And honestly, if they're gonna fuck Irene up as much as they did in, say Sherlock, there's not much point in keeping her female. Originally, she was the only woman who defeat Holmes; but if she's not going to defeat him, why does she even need to be female? She's not "the woman who beat Sherlock Holmes" she's just another person Sherlock defeated. Whoopdy-shit.
Yeah, exactly. I guess that's basically what I was thinking originally, along with "this is a well-known character whose only purpose [in modern adaptations, obviously not the original canon] is to be Sherlock's love interest/show people he's straight" so it would be interesting to kind of screw with people's expectations by doing the opposite of that, but then when I think more about it, it doesn't really make much sense. I mean, on the one hand, I think a male Irene could work in something like Elementary where you have a female Watson, since the concept of Irene being the one woman he can respect/admire doesn't necessarily apply anymore. But the whole point of Irene in the original story is that she's the one woman to outsmart Sherlock, and if she's male that doesn't work. Although it also doesn't work if she doesn't outsmart him. If she doesn't outsmart him, and becomes a he, then although they could name him Ira or something as a nod to the canon, there wouldn't be much point because it would be a completely different character. Although in that case, I guess BBC Sherlock probably should have named their version something else since she was a completely different character too.
I guess at least in Elementary, aside from making her a love interest, they handled it pretty well, I think. Although I suppose in a weird way, in this case making her a love interest actually made her more like the original character since that (him having feelings for her) was what enabled her to completely screw with him/outsmart him the way she did.
(Hopefully all this made some sense...I'm running on way too little sleep and feel like my brain isn't quite working as well as it should. Also, I said "although" way too many times here.)
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Hee, yeah.
And, yes, you're right about him making a comment about not really liking sex and that it was just a biological urge he had to fulfill occasionally so he could get on with his life. But Joan saw through that right quick.
Re: Sherlock: Yeah, I don't see the show depicting Sherlock and John as anything other than straight. Even the scene with Irene talking about how both she and John are in love with Sherlock was pretty much crap, since they're not going to do anything with it, so... what was the point? Oh, right, there was none.
this is a well-known character whose only purpose [in modern adaptations, obviously not the original canon] is to be Sherlock's love interest/show people he's straight" so it would be interesting to kind of screw with people's expectations by doing the opposite of that
True! You could even play with it; have Sherlock mention "Adler" without using a first name, then Ira (or Ian, I've seen that too) shows up... Hee...
I think a male Irene could work in something like Elementary where you have a female Watson, since the concept of Irene being the one woman he can respect/admire doesn't necessarily apply anymore.
That's a good point, yeah.
Although in that case, I guess BBC Sherlock probably should have named their version something else since she was a completely different character too.
Preach it... I'm not a huge fan of canon Irene (in fairness, some of that could be post-canon influence), but the idea that she should be associated with the female character in "Belgravia" is just wrong, dude.
Although I suppose in a weird way, in this case making her a love interest actually made her more like the original character since that (him having feelings for her) was what enabled her to completely screw with him/outsmart him the way she did.
Yeah, true. The way they handled Irene in Elementary was the best non-canon version I've seen. Even them making her a love interest made sense.
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That's what I was thinking. I found it somewhat annoying the way Joan seemed to find the whole concept ridiculous/not really believe it was possible since the whole idea of accusing someone of lying/being wrong about their own sexuality just rubs me the wrong way, but...I guess it's not really all that surprising.
Re: Sherlock: Yeah, I don't see the show depicting Sherlock and John as anything other than straight. Even the scene with Irene talking about how both she and John are in love with Sherlock was pretty much crap, since they're not going to do anything with it, so... what was the point? Oh, right, there was none.
Oh, yeah, I definitely don't see them ever going there with them, I just think it would be interesting if they did. Honestly, I think that scene was just to mess with the fans who do want them together. Like I said, I thought for about 5 seconds that maybe they would possibly go there but then I came to my senses and realized there's no way in hell they ever will.
Preach it... I'm not a huge fan of canon Irene (in fairness, some of that could be post-canon influence), but the idea that she should be associated with the female character in "Belgravia" is just wrong, dude.
It's the same for me. I re-read Scandal in Bohemia recently because it had been a long time, and I still didn't love her, but that could be influenced by my dislike of her in the adaptations. But either way, she doesn't deserve to be associated with the BBC version.
Yeah, true. The way they handled Irene in Elementary was the best non-canon version I've seen. Even them making her a love interest made sense.
Yeah, I agree. And I know people are speculating that she'll reappear eventually, but I'm glad they didn't drag the Moriarty thing out over the course of several seasons. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with next season now that Irene/Moriarty are (more or less) out of the way.
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Yeah... d-:
I definitely don't see them ever going there with them, I just think it would be interesting if they did.
Yeah...
I've been a Holmes/Watson shipper for literally decades, and with a modern day version, you could have them as an out couple. But nope, God forbid... d-:
Honestly, I think that scene was just to mess with the fans who do want them together.
Well, yeah... they do that in every episode. This was just more of that same shit.
I'm glad they didn't drag the Moriarty thing out over the course of several seasons
Ugh, no kidding.
And they'll probably have her reappear, but I kinda of hope they'll show a little restraint and not have it happen right away. I'd love if they'd maybe even go a whole season without bringing her back. I guess we'll see...
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It hasn't quite been decades for me (maybe 13-14 years I think? since I first read the original stores) but yeah, me too. And that's what's so frustrating, they could, but of course they never will.
Well, yeah... they do that in every episode. This was just more of that same shit.
Yep. It's one of the many reasons why I'm not thrilled about Sherlock anymore. I'll probably still watch the new episodes, but I'm definitely not as excited about the show as I used to be.
And they'll probably have her reappear, but I kinda of hope they'll show a little restraint and not have it happen right away. I'd love if they'd maybe even go a whole season without bringing her back. I guess we'll see...
I'm hoping so! Going a whole season without her coming back would be good...I'm just hoping they'll wait until at least the end of next season at the earliest.