[ SECRET POST #2333 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2333 ⌋

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Comments

[silverr]

Eh, I thought the Granada adaptations were quite good, ( and afaik they used only Doyle's dialog.)

And I'll take Victorian opera singer Irene over skanky dominatrix Irene.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they mostly used Doyle's dialogue, yes. However, I'm pretty sure they mixed it around some. I can't remember specific incidences, but I'm almost positive that some things said by Holmes in the books were said by Watson in Granada, or Lestrade, and a few vice versa as well. Granada did a few odd things in places, and tended to put characters into stories they weren't in originally (Mycroft showed up in some random places, from what I remember, and I think Lestrade replaced Gregson a time or two as well).

None of which really matters to me, because Granada!Holmes is basically awesome, and Colin Jeavons as Lestrade is adorable.

[fenm]

In some of the later series/seasons, Brett was ill, so they worked around him.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it was either Adventures or Memoirs when they started drifting. They still didn't drift as far as BBC!Sherlock did, though. But I see BBC!Sherlock as a pastiche, NOT an adaptation, whereas Granada Holmes was a pretty faithful adaptation.

[fenm]

Yeah, Granada really was trying to follow canon, and did okay for awhile.

[silverr]

Ah, I didn't know they diddled around with it that much.

Bottom line, though Brett was just ... perfection, to me, and Gayle Hunnicutt actually made the idea of The Woman entirely plausible.

[(Anonymous)]

Until the last seasons,they didn't. They needed to give Watson more dialogue and 'show' where ACD 'told', but you can happily sit with a copy of the story on your lap for most earlier Granada eps and watch the direct quotations roll.

Granada is a thing of beauty and Jeremy Brett is its jewelled centre.

[fenm]

Granada gets a pass; they were doing every story, not just the popular ones. Plus, they were awesome. (-:

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, THIS, I hated how BBC!Sherlock Tumblr fandom was all justification-y over Irene, and TRYING TO RETCON THE CANON TO SAY THAT IRENE ADLER IN SCAN WAS ACTUALLY A PROSTITUTE AND AAAAGGGHHHH

...

Sorry. I'll mop up.

[fenm]

Even if she was, ACD didn't use that as an excuse to have her talking about sex all the goddamn time. Honestly, I think that's one of the reasons Moffat made her a "sex worker", to justify her walking around naked and talking about fucking Sherlock on a table and all that...

[(Anonymous)]

Also, I believe Moffat has a Thing for sexually dominant female archetypes. Keep seeing it over and over again. But the female has a vulnerability the male eventually addresses/rescues, even as he is being in awe of her "powerfulness".

AAAAARRRGHHHHHH *rage comic face*

[fenm]

Yeah, exactly... d-:

[(Anonymous)]

Well, she was a loose woman, in the sense of having multiple (and politically dangerous) lovers pre-marriage in the Victorian era. She compounded that a bit by being an actress and regularly crossdressing and also the whole 'blackmailing the king' thing.

Things she wasn't: in love with Holmes. Working for Moriarty. Taking any form of money from her lovers that I remember (blackmail, yes, payment for services rendered, no).

She was a 'fallen woman' in the sense of having pre-marital sex (with kings). Not in the sense of being a prostitute.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

And nowhere did/do I dispute your last sentence. The Tumblr fandom, OTOH, felt significantly differently, and was all "RESPECT TEH VICKTORIAN SEXTRADE WORKERS!!!ELEVENTY!!!" about it. Which. Yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, something she WAS: extremely competent

[(Anonymous)]

+100000

[silverr]

yeah, I mean, I suppose that they saw "Adventuress & mistress of powerful man (Prince of Bohemia)" = "dominatrix" but ... it's just not.

Plus - imo ACD Irene (and Granada Irene) ALWAYS had the upper hand, and admired Sherlock the way one would admire a challenging fencing partner.

[abharding]

Exactly. They viewed each other as kindred spirits - someone who was an intellectual equal. For Holmes Irene was someone who he could actually have a battle of wits and have it be a challenge. She wasn't exactly a female version of Holmes - but that was because she wasn't interested in doing what Sherlock did (and part of that could have been the fact that she was a woman and such a thing would not have been acceptable).