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⌈ Secret Post #2335 ⌋

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[fenm]

The OP isn't talking to shippers, they're talking to the professional writers who keep making her a love interest, even in adaptions that are supposed to be "faithful" to canon [coughsherlockcough].

[kallanda_lee]

They also made Watson a woman in one version, and write cases that were never in the books.


That's sort of what you get when a fandom stays alive so long after the original source material stops being updated. You can either rehash the same stories over and over again, or take the characters and have some artistic liberties. If you don't do that, the characters just stagnate.

[fenm]

You can either rehash the same stories over and over again.

The problem with that is that there is PLENTY of ACD canon that's rarely been touched on. Yeah, "Hounds" has been done to death, and the three recent versions all dealt with Irene Adler and James Moriarty, but how many versions of "Copper Beeches" or "Charles Augustus Milverton" have there been?

Not to mention, it's hard to argue that they have to do crazy stuff with Irene not to wear out canon when I'm not sure any version but Granada has ever followed canon in the first place.

[elephantinegrace]

ALL OF THIS! ALL OF IT!



All this talk of Granada is making me nostalgic, and I wasn't even alive until the last few episodes aired.

Edit: Violet Hunter, not Beecher. I'd put in the picture of a guy facepalming through his head but I don't think I can save that many pictures on my phone.

[fenm]

VIOLET HUNTER!

I really love the Granada version of her, payed by the late Natasha Richardson.

All this talk of Granada is making me nostalgic, and I wasn't even alive until the last few episodes aired.

Way to make me feel old, dude... (-:

[elephantinegrace]

If it makes you feel better, I just looked up the actual dates the show aired, and apparently the last two seasons aired closer to my birth than I thought.

And it's "to," not "ot." I was too caught up with Violet Beecher to notice that one.

[(Anonymous)]

You can either rehash the same stories over and over again, or take the characters and have some artistic liberties.

There are four novels and fifty six short stories for the Holmes canon. Of those, two of the novels ('Sign of Four' and 'Hound of the Baskervilles') and two of the stories ('Scandal in Bohemia' and 'Final Problem') have been done to death. The other two novels and fifty four stories have barely been touched and are usually just alluded to if anything at all.

Maybe Holmes and Watson as characters are starting to stagnate, yes, but that might be solved somewhat if adaptations started letting them interacted with more than the same six recurring characters from the stories (Irene, Mary, Mrs Hudson, Moriarty, Lestrade, Mycroft), especially since three of those really only feature in one story apiece and are only name-dropped thereafter. There are dozens of once-off characters in the stories, many of the fascinating.

The problem isn't rehashing the canon as a whole. The problem is rehashing those same four stories, over and over and over again.

[philstar22]

That never seems to stop people. I mean, there are at least a dozen Wizard of Oz books written by the original author plus a bunch of other ones. And yet there still hasn't been a single faithful version done of even the first book. The just keep writing their own stories.

Mostly, you just have to pick which fandoms you can live with the changes for and enjoy it for what it is and which ones just aren't going to work for you.

[(Anonymous)]

Possibly. It's just depressing that the single most consistent change made for this canon is to turn a once-off female character who beat the male lead and then left into a seductress love interest who usually either dies or needs to be saved by said male lead.

That's really not a trend in adaptations that I'm fond of, or one that says good things about modern storytelling.

[philstar22]

Oh, absolutely that's a problem. I'm just saying it isn't surprising that canon is changed even when there are unadapted stories. The stories that tend to be adapted over and over are the ones that people know. And then changes have to be made so this version is something different.

This is while I'll stick to Poirot for my detective tv fix. Mostly faithful and still awesome with each new viewing.

[(Anonymous)]

We're talking David Suchet Poirot, right? Not the Ustinov TV movies. I like Ustinov, but he's ... not Poirot.

Suchet, on the other hand, is fabulous.

[philstar22]

Yup. Suchet pretty much is Poirot. I have all the dvds, and I never get tired of watching them. Even when you know the ending, they are still worth watching again. I'm sad they never got to finish all the stories.

[(Anonymous)]

I love Suchet. He has a gentility as Poirot. Ustinov mostly seemed ... smug?

[philstar22]

Agreed. When I'm reading the stories now, Poirot's voice is always Suchet. He just captures the role perfectly. And you can tell he really gets into it and enjoys what he's doing. Ustinov's version is okay, but he does seem to be smug in a way that Poirot isn't. Poirot is arrogant, sure, but he isn't smug.

[(Anonymous)]

Very arrogant, sometimes. His disdain for legwork always did rub me the wrong way a bit. It's his gentility that leavens that, which is why Ustinov fell flat to me. Poirot is, being fair and honest, an easy man to hate sometimes. You need to show the other side of him to avoid that.

[philstar22]

True. I think Poirot's arrogance makes him an interesting characters, but yes the gentility does balance it out so that he's bearable. Without it, he would be hard to root for after a while.

[(Anonymous)]

...And the OP still isn't complaining about fandoms - they're complaining about the tendency of showrunners/writers who are perfectly capable of choosing to pursue underused parts of the canon, or continuing to write their own stories and *not* use Irene as a love interest.

[philstar22]

The OP isn't. I was just responding to a particular comment that mentioned how many stories were still unadapted and was pointing out that it wasn't exactly unique.

[fenm]

Maybe Holmes and Watson as characters are starting to stagnate, yes

I'd argue even this doesn't have to be the case. How many stories make use of Watson's military career? Some of the newer ones touch on it, but it often just part of his backstory...

And as for Holmes himself; it'd be great if a series was willing to explore his sexuality in a way that didn't end with "he's a totally straight guy, yep, he loves him some women! (or at least one particular woman...)" Another thing; Holmes as a musician. Like Watson's military service, it serves and background as comes up a bit, but... Well, look at 1946's Dressed to Kill, which deals with a code hidden in the tune of a series of music boxes. Holmes knowledge of music is actually important to the plot. More of that, please.

The problem isn't rehashing the canon as a whole. The problem is rehashing those same four stories, over and over and over again.

THIS.