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A/B/O fans are really fricking defensive. I'm talking furry fandom levels of defensive. I honestly can't think of a nicer person here than Lynx but apparently she Crossed The Line.

Why is that? Why are people so defensive about certain fandoms/subsets of fandoms? I don't quite get it. We don't all like the same things. Was fandom always like this?

Edited (Edited for clarification) 2013-05-28 05:08 (UTC)

Her post was an attack. Why wouldn't people get defensive? She's even said she's sorry and that she went about it in the worst way.

We don't all like the same things. And that's exactly it. She doesn't like it and of course that's fine. It's also fine that other people do. But her original post made it seem like not only was she not ok with that but that there was something inherently wrong with A/B/O fans and they need to go away because they're ruining fandom.

Today the fact that A/B/O fans are really defensive was reinforced.

(For god's sake she even sent the fic to an A/B/O fan who was interested)

Edited 2013-05-28 06:04 (UTC)

"Her post was an attack"

On what? A genre of fanfiction? Man, this fun.txt sure needs to be protected.

TBF, yes, I can see why saying "what are these authors thinking, holy fuck" might rub someone the wrong way, especially if you write it. But you have got to be kidding yourself in thinking omegaverse dynamics are so normal that it's going to be politely accepted by anyone. Just because you are in fandom, or in an internet community where it's generally a safe space for discussing kink, it does not mean that everyone is into or okay with your kink or fanfiction. They listed some pretty specific issues and problematic elements as to why it makes them uncomfortable, hence why they avoid it.

Do we need to come up with some new terms so that people will calm down about the idea that some things are complete turn offs. Squick shaming :|

But she didn't avoid it. She read it and then came to a multi-fandom community and bashed the writers. Add in calling the fics 'skeevy as fuck' and the use of 'oh Jesus', the 'I don't kink-shame, usually, but..' and how were people supposed to take it any other way?

Don't like it? Don't read it. Want to talk about why you don't like it? Then let's have that discussion. And it turns out that's what she wanted to do, but that is most definitely not how it came across. And the thread was frozen before she could make her intentions clear to everyone.

For the record, I'm not into A/B/O. I'm just seriously sickened by people telling other people what they can and can't do in fiction. Saying the trend needs to die? That's telling people to stop writing it. I can't speak for anyone else but for me it reminded me of how just fifteen years ago being in fandom meant you would be ridiculed. To have someone in fandom doing that to other fans disturbs me to the extreme.

I'm not going to tell people how they should respond, but I am going to totally prefer they wouldn't take a hobby so personally that they think it's justifiable to respond with, "There is something very wrong with you."

While I'm with you on not wanting fans and fanwork being policed, I don't think anyone should feel they're not allowed to express that they find something distasteful or problematic lest they get jumped on for it. Especially if it's an unpopular opinion they're sharing. A/B/O has enough folk into it (including me) that having others skeeved out by it doesn't automatically mean "persecution."

eta: and now I'm only just realising I'm probably shitting up the post regarding something already resolved, as anon below put it. Afraid I'm going to drop this here in case anyone replies. Apologies if I'm sounding unsympathetic.

Edited (hrm) 2013-05-28 09:29 (UTC)

While, yes, you do come off very unsympathetic, you're ignoring the fact that a *lot* of what was said in the original comment can [and in a lot of ways does to me, and apparently other people] come off as "There is something very wrong with people who like this." That *is* going to get a response from people because...well yes. It is an attack, and saying "They have a right to their opinion!" doesn't change that. Frankly, there were better ways for her to say that the kink wasn't for than "I need a drink" after it - if she even had to say anything at all.*

*No, I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to express opinions - but if you're going to make comments like that it's probably a good idea to keep it in your journal, or be aware that there are people who are going to take offense to it and will respond to it...Which they have as much a right to do as you have to express it.

Nope. Never ignored the post. You're calling it an attack and justifying how personal folk will take it, and that's what I'm disagreeing with.

Your first comment was a reply to someone who pointed out that lynx had already apologised for the original post. You knew you were shitting up the thread when you made your first comment.

Sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie. Was there any point in stirring up a fight that had been pretty well resolved like this one? I kind of agree with you but, I mean, sometimes you just have to let pointless internet flame wars go. Especially when the moderator has already locked one thread on the issue. You're better than this.

Eh, it reads to me more like people were upset about the shaming. I mean, a couple even say they're not into A/B/O but YKINMK, etc.

Eh, I responded [and was trying to be polite, but idk if that came across?] just to say that I'd read a series that's done something very similar that's done really well, and manages to bypass most of the creepy stuff a lot of A/B/O fanfic writers seem to hit [or even feel the need to make a Big Thing in their fics.] However, it was both a professional work and well...not exactly the same thing. That said, A/B/O isn't my thing so, eh.

As for why people get defensive...I'm guessing it's because A/B/O gets a lot of shit. Like, to the point I've never actually heard anything *good* said about it, at least as far as fanfiction goes and that does tend to wear on people's nerves after awhile. So I can see how people might take offense to the whole "OMG, NEVER AGAIN IT WAS SO HORRIBLE I NEED A DRINK" type vibe that came off parts of her comment.

ABO?

There is some delicious wank going on above and I can't access it because I don't know what ABO is.

I feel like a starving homeless man who has been given a tin of beans, but no tin opener.

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