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⌈ Secret Post #2338 ⌋

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[Saturday Night Live]

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[Homestuck]

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[The Dark Knight trilogy]

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[Star Trek]

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[Daily Show with Jon Stewart & Colbert Report with Stephen Colbert]

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[Neil Gaiman/Amanda Palmer]

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[Late Night Talk Shows]

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[Fruits Basket]

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[Defiance]

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[Phoenix Legend]

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[Kim Possible]

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[Rupert Graves]

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[Hashirama, from Naruto]

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[XXXholic]

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I have a problem with the whole concept of ableism because it seems to take the position that lacking an ability is not a bad thing. Sure you can still lead a fulfilling life, and it doesn't make you less a person, but it's still not good to be missing muscle control/senses/basic social skills.

And I'm constantly conflicted over how much I should blame people for being stupid, and how much they can't help it.

I think it's less that "lacking an ability/body part/whatever is not a bad thing" and more that "lacking an ability/body part/whatever does not make anyone an inherently lesser person".

The same way that if you're gay, you're not going to inherently have a lot of fun at a straight bar, but you're not inherently a lesser person because of it*.

*Yes, I know this analogy is flawed. Whatever.

Unless you are talking about some of the incredibly fucked up problems with "deaf culture"... I think it's more about how some people (some even in this thread) get strongly uncomfortable in the presence of disabled people. To the point of avoidance or shunning.

Now this doesn't mean that say, bipolar people can't be incredibly draining to be around, and if you've been through the perils of say, dating one, you are suddenly ablist if you don't want to go through that again and it becomes a deal-breaker in future dating criteria.

But if you can't sit on the bus next to somebody with downs (who is doing nothing other then sitting there), you got something inside you that isn't really all that great. That's the kinda thing ablist is really meant to be referring to.

I seriously don't get how you can be uncomfortable around disabled people, at least not the kind with missing limbs, wheelchairs or lack of sight*. I can kinda understand why someone would have trouble interacting with people with say Downs Syndrome, but I can not see why anyone would have a problem being in the same room as them? When it comes to deaf people communication can be more difficult, but it is not hard you just have to pay attention (and today there is always cell phones), I know enough sign language to help me out a bit, but I am not fluent at all, so usually we get around it by writing stuff down.

Is it a school system thing? Over here, everyone is in the same school, in the same class as those they are as old as (with the exception of Deaf people) and remain so all through Junior High School, so during my 10 years of primary education, from 3d to 7th grade I had one girl with Downs Syndrome (She was awesome, I used to spend a lot of time at her house), her cousin who was hard of hearing, two people with ADHD*, one in a wheelchair and like 3 people with learning difficulties all in a class of 15 people, we had more teachers aids than teachers. In Junior High we mostly only had people with learning difficulties and ADHD, and a different girl whom was hard of hearing, in our classrooms (45 students), and the severely handicapped people had more classes outside of us, but they still went to our class (as in they came with when we went on trips and during our weekstart/end meetings, and film showings and so on)

If I am going to be completely honest I could probably never date anyone whom had a mental illness, but that has nothing to do with mental illnesses per se, but I have enough friends and like half my family is severely mentally ill, I do not need more of that in my life, with the exception that if they have their condition under control I will be okay with it.

I just never got the treating people differently thing, I talk to you in exactly the same way no matter whom you are, because you are an human being and you deserve my respect... ~~I am not saying I am perfect, I am not, but I try my best to not do stuff because of what I think the other person wants/think/is~~

*Did that come of as rude or insensitive? It is hard trying to use the correct words in my second language.
*Which is not an handicap, but I figured it should be on the list to illustrate how our classroom was.

Thinking about ableism as a concept is probably the problem. Discrimination against people with disabilities is bigger than you might realize?

It's just that when you have a disability, are a minority/marginalized, it's better to think with the strengths perspective than to think about how you are less capable of doing things or how people think of you for being less capable. Yes, it's not good to be missing muscle control/sense/basic social skills - but do people really have to point it out all the time? It helps to think about how you're 'special' or your disability can be an ability for you, or like turning around how being blind is a problem by learning braille and being able to see in some way again. It's called being positive?

/not sure if this is offbase to how you feel, eh

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