[ SECRET POST #2343 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2343 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I was rereading some old F!S threads, and I came upon one where someone was claiming that the word 'delusional' (and the calling of someone as such) was inherently misogynist, and it got me thinking:

Besides slurs, are their any other words people see as inherently misogynist? Are there any words that people see as inherently male/female (in English, I suppose, or other languages without gendered of words)?

In my case, for some reason I see words with 'sh' sounds as "female" and words with "tch" sounds as male (unless paired with a "soft sound".)

[(Anonymous)]

Delusional? I would have thought of that are more ableist than misogynistic, if anything. Unless I'm missing something...

[(Anonymous)]

*though of that as

[(Anonymous)]

You'd think that, wouldn't you, but apparently it's a misogynist word because it's been used to 'keep woman down' before, so no matter the context, it is sill misogynist today.

[(Anonymous)]

because the meanings of words don't change over time, right

[(Anonymous)]

naryt

Man, in this case it isn't even the meaning, because I don't think anyone would ever have said the definition had anything to do with women. It's... I don't even know what this is.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the reasoning is that women are usually seen as less rational than man... so something like delusional is associated with women? I dunno, it's a stretch.

[(Anonymous)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria

[(Anonymous)]

Rule of thumb. HATE that term. Will not be kind to anyone I find using it.

[(Anonymous)]

That comes from an old "rule" (law? I don't know) that says a man can't beat his wife with anything thicker than his thumb, right?

Funny though, I'd forgotten I even knew that until you said it here. I think it's random trivia that almost nobody knows and I wouldn't blame them for using it, since it would be really impractical to expect people to look up the origin of every word or idiom before using it.

[vethica]

Its origins don't actually have anything to do with wife-beating, if it helps. That association came later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb

[chardmonster]

I disagree with that assessment of the word delusional, but to a certain extent you really can't get away from sexism* in old languages. Language is inherently caught up in the culture it grows in. Attempting to rehabilitate a language as a whole just seems to lead to weird verbal hoops and a loss of any poetry it had.


*Misogyny implies hatred or dislike, and the issue is often a lot more complex than that

[deadtree]

when I was growing up I always heard older people referring to sunshowers as "the devil beating his wife" and that's pretty horrifying... not sure if that counts though haha

thank goodness it seems to have died out, sometimes I mention it to people somewhat younger than myself or around the same age and they have usually never heard it.

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard that term! I feel like a bit of a doofus, though, because I just don't...quite...get it. Idioms as such don't always make sense, but I can't put two and two together with that one.

[tyger66]

Pretty much anything relating to "Hysteria"

[(Anonymous)]

Could you link to the original wank?

[(Anonymous)]

It's spread out in this thread: http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/876226.html?thread=540000450#t540000450