[ SECRET POST #2351 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2350 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/G3ZwY8Z.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

What is this from? Who is she and why isn't she a good mother?

[(Anonymous)]

She's Norman Bates' mother.

[(Anonymous)]

What? Is there a remake or something?

[fenm]

There's a series, Bates Motel. It's set pre-movie (obvs), but is also set in the current day.

[kamino_neko]

Prequel series on A&E.

[(Anonymous)]

How? It's not like she abuses him and it's clear she loves him.

not op

[(Anonymous)]

Except... she does abuse him. She doesn't hit him, but she tries to draw him away from any person that might make him the slightest bit independent, and she emotionally abuses/manipulates him for the same purpose. No, he can't join extracurriculars, or go out to normal teen functions. That would take too much time from her. (or, as she puts it, the hotel. But he's a minor, he didn't want to move, he didn't want to run the hotel, and has no responsibility toward it.) She holds over him things that happen to her, as if his ultimate responsibility is to be at her side at all times, even when he'd have been unable to do anything to protect her. She's grooming him to become the man he is in the Psycho movies. It's not surprising, obviously, but it's terrible mothering.

Re: not op

[fenm]

Hell, even her friendship with Emma was because Norma could tell Emma liked Norman, and Norma wants to keep an eye on her.

Re: not op

[elaminator]

+1. Yes she loves him...but it's an unhealthy love. It isn't good for either of them.

*should probably finish the season*

Re: not op

[fenm]

Yes. Yes you should.

[rad_braybury]

She is clearly emotionally abusive and manipulative. She loves him in a way that is entirely possessive and controlling and infantalizing. She is only sweet to him when he does exactly what she wants. Otherwise she turns cold and HUGELY passive-aggressive. She starts to do the same thing with Dylan -- makes him breakfast because she wants to ask him a favor (and then gets mad when he turns her down).

Norma's past experiences with sexual abuse make her a sympathetic character in some ways, but she is definitely revisiting that abuse on her son. There are obvious oedipal themes -- consider the scenes where she undresses in front of him (and then affects huffiness when he stares at her in her sexy black corset), when she climbs in bed with him, when she kisses him in uncomfortably intimate ways. Norman says several times that she's crazy or does things that don't make sense. It's true, and it's what motivates the vast majority of the drama.

I have to add that I feel really strongly about this character because she reminds me in a lot of ways of my emotionally abusive/manipulative mother. Not exactly the same but there's a definite abuse cycle happening that gives me the willies. Oof.

[(Anonymous)]

AGREED.

[(Anonymous)]

is this show good?


... also are there slashable characters? Because I can't lie, that's why I watch shows.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're good with incest, then yes >.>

[(Anonymous)]

....I am.
Brothers?

[fenm]

Norman has a half-brother, Dylan (same mother, different father).

[(Anonymous)]

People wouldn't be saying this if she was a man as opposed to a strong and independent single mother.

[(Anonymous)]

yes they would, the people saying it would just be different. this generalization is too broad when applied to fandom anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Two words: John Winchester.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely agreed. Sure, guy had a hard life, but what a crappy-ass father.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't believe there are people who think that. I only saw a few episodes and she's the reason I had to stop. I wasn't triggered or anything so severe as that, but I was uncomfortable with some of the ways her behavior was similar to my emotionally abusive mother's behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

After some of the things I've heard from Regina (Once Upon a Time) fans, and some of the perspectives on Gothel I've seen on f!s, I'll believe anything.

[(Anonymous)]

DA--Whenever I see a Regina stan who hates Henry, or a Gothel stan who says Rapunzel was ungrateful, I have to resist the urge to ask them never to become parents. I have never seen Psycho. I've never seen the remake/tv show. I know just enough to know that anyone who finds Norman Bates' mother sympathetic shouldn't be a parent.

[(Anonymous)]

She's an interesting mother, I'll give them that, but I think you'd have to be squinting pretty hard or wearing some amazingly rose-tinted/distorted glasses to see her as a good mother.