[ SECRET POST #2351 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2350 ⌋

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Comments

Re: tl;dr ahoy

[(Anonymous)]

It is not for a show to endorse an issue as good or bad, but simply to display it so the audience can choose to fight the issue or fight the show creator.

So, are you going to keep complaining about Moffat for showcasing an issue that exists, or are you going to take up the torch and fight the issue itself? If the former, you're part of the problem and part of the system of oppression, if the latter then say thank you to Moffat for showing the way and get out on the street and actually fight sexism in the real world.

Spandau Ballet was pretty good too now I think about it.

Re: tl;dr ahoy

[intrigueing]

It is not for a show to endorse an issue as good or bad, but simply to display it so the audience can choose to fight the issue or fight the show creator.

You cannot fucking be serious.


No, really. You. Cannot. Fucking. Be. Serious.

You're almost certainly trolling me, but just in case this is Poe's Law in effect:

Excuse me? Endorse an issue as good or bad? An "issue"? You are talking about SEXISM. Sexism is not an issue that it is okay to be moderate about. This is not about war or drug policy or whether high taxes or low taxes are better. Sexism is BAD. There is no such thing as an acceptable pro-sexism argument. It is bad. Period. End of discussion. Show creators have an obligation to fucking portray sexism as bad, because IT IS BAD.

Showing misogynistic stuff in a show and portraying it as totally fine and romantic and not presenting any argument against it is NOT okay. If you do that, it is a tacit endorsement. And by the way? It is the 21st fucking century. If you portray the issue of sexism as neutral -- implying that people who are pro-sexism have as valid an argument as anti-sexism people -- that is even worse than accidentally portraying sexism as an okay thing.

Moffat is not "showing the way". He doesn't think his show is sexist. He is not some master planner secretly conspiring to motivate people to be anti-sexist. If you honestly believe that...well...there are people who totally believe that those two actors on Supernatural are totally in love and that one of them named his newborn baby after the other. So...you're not completely alone?

Re: tl;dr ahoy

[(Anonymous)]

Show creators have an obligation to fucking portray sexism as bad, because IT IS BAD.

Creators have no obligation to pass judgement on any issue. If something exists, then they can portray it as it is. If they have any higher obligation than entertainment it is to create something that is truthful, not didactic.

Re: tl;dr ahoy

[elephantinegrace]

Saying that he wrote it to showcase an issue that exists instead of being part of the problem is giving Moffat waay too much credit. You see it in all his female characters: Amy's life revolved solely around the two men in her life (she was obsessed with the Doctor all throughout her childhood and expressed ti through biting therapists), every single one of River's decisions was made to bring her closer to the Doctor, Clara was literally born to save the Doctor. You'd think that, if he was really trying to showcase an issue that exists, he'd have a character that subverts those expectations, to show that, "hey, women actually aren't like that." But none of them do because he honestly thinks that that's what women are like.

Re: tl;dr ahoy

[intrigueing]

I'm pretty sure the ayrt is a troll. It's impossible to say "shows shouldn't endorse a viewpoint on an issue!" without being either a troll or delusional.

Re: tl;dr ahoy

[(Anonymous)]

And what about the stance that Spandau Ballet was pretty good?

Madness were excellent though.