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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-11 06:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #2352 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2352 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-06-12 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Sounds to me like you don't like governments and that you've bought into the Hollywood propaganda of soldiers being brainwashed.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-12 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Or perhaps I'm friends with an ex-soldier who told me of his experiences in the military and this has formed my opinion which is different from your own?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-12 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

Because obviously, the individual experience of one person in one unit = the truth about all militaries ever. Got it.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-12 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Lol, that was in response to "you know nothing" but now you're extrapolating from their response to take that it is their entire basis of belief. Nup.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-12 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
After 18 years of service and working in everything from a line unit to echelons above Corps, including several mutinational environments, I've never seen anyone in any military attempt to desensitize service members or discourage them from thinking for themselves.

I have seen some soldiers in the US Army's Basic Combat Training fail to adapt because they were unable to follow lawful orders but still get pushed through training despite not meeting basic requirements. I've had some of these soldiers in my squads and platoons and they all shared the same belief that lawful orders equal oppression or megalomania or brainwashing. These soldiers are best suited to menial tasks and should be denied reenlistment because they weaken their organization's effectiveness. They are the ones that choose not to think for themselves, fail to meet challenges because they make no effort, and seek to undermine the willingness of their motivated peers and the authority of their leaders.

They're also the ones who whine that the military is evil and seeks to stamp out individuality, free will, and critical thinking. In reality, military forces throughout history have excelled precisely because of these traits.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-12 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm side-eyeing you a bit due to your emphasis on the term "lawful," as though the fact that something is deemed legal removes any possible question as to whether it's moral or justifiable. (Hint: it doesn't.)

The sad fact is that there are some laws which absolutely should not have been passed, some people who absolutely should not have made it into positions of authority, and some orders which are morally reprehensible irrespective of their legality and absolutely should not be obeyed. If you believe otherwise, sorry to tell you, but you ARE brainwashed.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-12 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
Lawful orders is a military term meaning orders given by a non-commissioned officer that do not violate branch regulations or federal laws governing the military. It's common lexicon in most militaries dating back to the 19th century. News media, entertainments, and civilians usually just call them orders. Orders are actually something entirely different.