[ SECRET POST #2352 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2352 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Look what happened/is happening to Bradley Manning for thinking for himself when faced with evidence of military brutality. Fuck the US military, seriously.

Apparently the US military uses the Meyer-Briggs test to sort out personalities. They prefer ISTJs - introverts (less likely to challenge command), sensors (not intuitive, take the world as it is), thinkers (less emotional, more able to kill), judgers (don't think about a decision, just do it). Which makes a lot of sense for an army.

[(Anonymous)]

The US military does not use Meyer-Briggs personality types for anything. Some military schools offer the testing, usually only for senior ranking officers. It's offered in case a service member wants it for their resume because most still have to work for many years after they retire from the military.

[(Anonymous)]

The Bradley Manning affair is not the fault of the military, it's the fault of the whole political system. It wasn't the generals who condemned him; that happened with the enthusiastic support of the entire military political apparatus, inclusive of the White House, the Congress, the intelligence community, and the military. Which, in a lot of ways, just goes to the point that cadremage is making - it's not the military, because the military is still under the command of the civilian authority; it's the civilian authority, ultimately the whole system of decision-making, that is at fault.

I agree that he has been imprisoned unjustly. But the injustice is something that comes from our political system and ultimately the choices that we have made as a political society. It's not the fault of something intrinsic and specific to militaries.

[cadremage]

...whooooa.

First of all, Bradley Manning is being tried for treason. It's the US government that is prosecuting him, not the military itself.

Second of all, that is an oversimplification of the Meyers-Briggs types (I am an INTJ, for purposes of full disclosure). An MB introvert is a person who likes to take time to reflect on information and who re-energizes by spending time alone, not a person who is is less social or less likely to speak up. S/he is no more and no less likely to challenge command than an extrovert. (As another aside, this is also the misconception that gets me the most. I am an introvert, but if you push me to do something that I believe is wrong, you had better believe I will push you back. Hard).

It's true that an MB sensor "takes the world as it is," but only in the sense that s/he is concerned with what's actually happening. That does not mean that s/he will go along with that's happening.

An MB thinker utilizes logic in an effort to be fair, and advocates for the truth even when it's inconvenient. S/he is not less emotional than a feeler, or more able to kill.

An MB judger likes to plan ahead because s/he likes order, and likes for a decision to be made on a course of action. This does not mean that s/he will not think about a decision. Shit, as I well know, if you combine I, T, and J together, you get someone who shreds possible decisions to pieces because s/he wants to make the best one.

I suppose the thing that's getting me here is that you've determined which MB types are "bad," watered them down, and then said, "this makes sense because obviously these types of people would be mindless," but that's not how it works. There are no "bad" MB types; there are simply different ways of perceiving and interacting with the world, and none of those ways makes a person more likely to be turned into a robot.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks. That was one of the worst Meyers-Briggs analyses I've ever seen.